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display the research of the homework

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nineteen eighties nineties which in turn

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number of of the latest groups and

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secret societies that we call

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collectively the controllers needs a

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very well it is the second Rick store

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and this radio show join us as we work

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good evening America good evening around

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the world good evening two ships at sea

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good evening two ships in the heaven

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this is timothy green beckley co-host of

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unraveling the secrets with Carla

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anderson in jersey city and engineering

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and producing down in Miami angel Espino

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the jackal and we're here for another

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evening of paranormal fun fun fun and

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enlightenment Carla how's it going how

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you doing yeah doing good tonight can't

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wait and then waiting for tonight any

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UFO sightings over there and at balance

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bar in my apartment hey nice savings

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that gives us an extra hour on the air

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have an exciting show this evening and

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good shows I think today then we've got

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some interesting features coming up

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we're going well beyond the normal way

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that the shows are done we're trying to

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do a little bit something different here

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fact we're going to be putting together

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a fort fest in honor and tribute to the

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late charles fort who is a collector of

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all kinds of weird phenomena and we're

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conference call to the UK in a couple of

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weeks they will soon be celebrating the

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50th anniversary of the thing which is

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the sightings celebrating the sightings

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over the town of warminster England

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where I actually had a chance to see a

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UFO which I did and even perhaps

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communicate with an object that was

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hovering in the sky not far far away

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the show when when we do it but

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friend who was the 8th earl of clan

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kardi a member of the House of Lords

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Brinsley laporte trench and after I

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unofficial a group that was a member of

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parliament there was there like even the

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you went here has groups that not that

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are not officially sanctioned but they

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discuss UFOs and after that I hopped on

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a train and I headed out for Stonehenge

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population about 8,000 not too far from

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cluster of UFO sightings in fact the

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whole wave of UFO sightings were for

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sorts of objects of flashing and

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hovering in the in the sky I in fact we

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just published a book called UFOs keys

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to inner perception by the late price

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bond who has a radio commentator while

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York and he quit his job after coming

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abduction experience or contact

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experience face-to-face contact and he

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came back and be quit his job at the

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radio station which most people would

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figure that's a fairly you know

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glamorous occupation and went out and

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became a psychic healer it changed the

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experience changes entire life anyway

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Arthur shuttle would who had written

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several books on the subject and he was

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he had started out as a skeptic and

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in witnessing all these objects himself

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lucked up into the sky and he said there

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there's an object now there's one of

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them and then there was this ball of

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light that's the best way I could

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describe it it was like maybe the size

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of a street lamp but it was up in the

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sky and there were no streetlamps there

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we're out in the world in the country

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there's no there's no farms there's no

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no houses nearby so he says watch this

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watch what happens and he goes to the

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trunk of his car and he pulls out a

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flashlight well not really a flashlight

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car was disabled on the side of the road

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object in the sky but bump a bump a bump

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object would kind of swing back and

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forth almost as if it were on a string

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and if it as if it were acknowledging

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our attempt to communicate with it so

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signal and receive some sort of

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communication back I can't say like

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other people there who claimed that they

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had actual telepathic contact I won't go

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that far but something weird was going

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on in the neighborhood that's for darn

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sure people still go there that try to

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have a UFO sighting it's not quite as

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active any longer there are so people

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that have some sightings there but every

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a year for the last few years Kevin

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Goodman organizes a warminster summit

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anniversary that they're celebrating and

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he has people you know come and talk

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about their UFO sightings that they've

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had their and other people around

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England who are dedicated to the the

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subject discussing various aspects of it

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so that's coming up and in fact I've

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program and we'll have him on in a

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couple of weeks and we're also going to

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Congress of scientific ufologists

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roundtable where these fellows that I

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met 50 years ago started an organization

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the beginning national UFO group or

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whatever it was and then later the name

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was changed to the Congress of

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scientific ufologist so we're going to

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have a roundtable discussion comparing

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UFO activity from the night in 1960s

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when we all met we're all teenagers then

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believe it or not I mean we may be some

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of the few ufologist in the field who

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have you know stayed with this for that

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long amount of time yeah you've been

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doing this forever I I have indeed it

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started out when I was uh um well bout I

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had my first sighting when I was ten

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years old uh and then well it was a two

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objects in the sky actually when they

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were hovering one was hovering over my

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house and one was over an abandoned

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factory building across the street and

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it remained there the two objects remain

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then the one across the street it seems

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like somebody has shut the light switch

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off it just wasn't there anymore and the

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next day there was a little item in the

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newspaper that other people had

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witnesses but the authorities were

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saying that it was nothing more

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unconventional than a weather balloon

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and it wasn't it was something that

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seemed to be under intelligent control

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certainly a wake-up call but tonight

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we're going to get a little bit more

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down to earth in a sense we're going to

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be talking to two individuals who are

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icons in the field Paul Dale Roberts who

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is an esoteric detective he has his own

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paranormal group in California and has

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been a professional investigator with

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nine hundred cases under his belt since

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2004 and he's investigated investigated

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everything from the chupacabra UFOs

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those girls told the guys demons and a

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heck of a lot more he's been on all the

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TV you know shows UFO hunters in fact he

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was on a program and I want to find out

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about this that was about Michael

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Jackson I don't know exactly how that

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ties into the subject but he's also

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interested in Bigfoot and his track big

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foot down and we're going he has a

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really if he has a killer moonwalk

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that's why yeah hahaha and we're going

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to be we're talking to be discussing the

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mysteries of Mount Shasta so is um is

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Paul out there now do you think I don't

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believe ready we we can get on a be

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alright yes indeed yes absolutely all

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right give me a second and more being

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all into the show here we should really

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get a sound effect of that what he's

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like I absolutely or we could almost

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blue door so what a what a way to greet

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a guest that's what I'm all are you

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there all your Roberts I'm right here

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Tim hey angel has it on somebody hey hey

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you can hear me pretty good then huh

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this is it let's have let's clink the

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beer bottles and toast the hell I how

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you doing I'm good how you doing see

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Paul online I don't think these folks

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get our closer friends you and I are me

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and pointed back we go way back we have

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babies and pacifiers hi added and

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Timothy and I go back to because I'm

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still yes I I mean my articles are in

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his books and we've been connecting for

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quite some time yeah you know you up all

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you got interested in this and well how

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did you get interested in it actually I

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know you said your investigation cyber

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started about 2004 but how did you

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actually decide you wanted to be

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involved in the paranormal while I

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actually lived in a haunted house on

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every street in fresno and all kinds of

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terrible things were happening to me i

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was thrown into a heater all kinds of

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crazy stuff

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doubting myself as I got older and I

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said did that really happen or was that

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like childhood nightmares and so I

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started reading a lot about the

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paranormal I got interested in it my

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life just going down that path becoming

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an army investigator with CID Criminal

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Investigation Division military

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intelligence and stuff like that let me

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down towards the path of being a

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paranormal investigator and before I

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knew it I was out there investing

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investigating ghost Bigfoot UFOs

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everything and and now i'm actually the

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owner of halo paranormal investigations

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while i'm a co-owner my wife Dianna

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Jackson still since the other co-owner

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oh yes yes hi Carla how you I [\h__\h] it so

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you started doing this in 2004 about two

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thousand four right but on my own before

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I was a paranormal investigating I was

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paranormal investigating on my own so

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it's like I I went to Thailand out the

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bridge River Kwai and just because of

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all the people all the torture murders

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and killings over there I had to go

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there for myself just to see if all

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experienced anything I didn't have

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recorders or anything like that but I

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just had to go there and experience it

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so I was sort of like doing an

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investigation on my own but not really

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thinking of it as an investigation mhm

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and go into places like Stonehenge and

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stuff like that so would you come up

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with it the river kwai but since you've

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walked around there I mean the air is so

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thick it mean you can feel depression

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you can feel like there's something

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really bad happen there and I'm not a

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psychic but I was talking to some of the

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other curse and they were feeling the

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same thing so they're just something

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there you can just fill it okay and and

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and did that actually happen to you when

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you were a kid do you think

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oh absolutely now that I think belt

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about it and as a paranormal

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investigator out at some point of time I

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wasn't even believing in the paranormal

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because I nothing was happening than one

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incident one crazy incident and I heard

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this little girl giggling and angels

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probably heard this story about a

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thousand times but I heard this little

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girl giggling and I go wow you can hear

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this I mean I could hear it with my ears

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and those five investigators in that

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room they said yeah we're recording it

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too and I said there there she goes

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again she's giggling and I said she's no

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more than three feet in front of me

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sitting on the corner of this bed but I

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can't see her but I can sure hear oh my

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god and you know and she giggled again

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so I put my face down where I heard the

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giggle and I said hello and she she goes

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hello right back at me and I go oh my

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god I believe in the afterlife I believe

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in the paranormal this is real stuff and

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after that I was hooked did you ever get

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back to the house where you grew up to

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see what was going on there I heard they

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demolished it sound erson nothing left

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in fact they got a new home there or

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something like that so um but I've been

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on something like 900 investigations up

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like I said I dig UFOs Bigfoot

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chupacabra you name it ghosts demons the

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whole works and not only do we

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investigate but we also to believe in

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cleansing the home so I do a Catholic

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blessing and my wife she does a a

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regular saging mm-hmm went out Paul when

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you and I first I think came in the

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contact you were out investigating a

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Bigfoot was this around Mount Shasta oh

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absolutely yeah I'm and we did the wood

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on wood communication because it's known

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that Bigfoot will communicate by

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striking wood with wood so I I would do

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and there was one time over Mount Shasta

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and I hit a tree three times with a

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piece of wood and at the creek near me

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there was a rock those thrown into the

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creek three times and there was nobody

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around and it was like it was

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communicating with me by throwing a rock

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into the creek three times what you know

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maybe we should start out there probably

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a lot of people especially on the East

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Coast who are not at all familiar with

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the mystery surrounding amount Shasta

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now Mount Shasta of course the legends

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about this fabulous monument to nature I

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guess you would call it his the legends

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go back to the the tales of the Indians

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in fact we had a fellow here who one of

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my best friend's blue ocean who is a

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native american who was actually raised

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on Mount Shasta I believe it or not even

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though the the Census Bureau claims that

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there were no Indians on Manchester and

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known that you know Native Americans

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there he knows where he was born in fact

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I was here in the office of one day

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while he was trying to call the town of

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weed which would be the closest town to

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Mount Shasta trying to get his birth

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certificate because he was having some

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problems with the social security and

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all that but he told me that he had

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quite a number of experiences growing up

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there on Mount Shasta in fact there was

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a group of little little people that

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used to congregate and throw rocks at

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some of the the locals and they heard

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weird they heard weird you know noises

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and sounds at nights of all kinds of

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animals and things and possibly a

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Bigfoot you know he thought but amount

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chefs has also said to be the capital of

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the subterranean world of Telos there's

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legends about this mysterious man count

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saint-germain who walks the area he's

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supposedly the man who lives forever so

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it's it is a place where many people go

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to have mystical experiences can you add

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anything to that all Tim Tim that

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mountain has some

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stories one of the stories is back in

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the 1920s this up this farmer was

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actually visited by these little people

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who had bags of gold and they want to

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buy a Cal and and this farmer swears up

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and down this actually happened and

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there's reports of little people seen

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but also to there's reports that you

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know the last of the Lemurians live in

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the caverns there and there's been

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reports by various people who claim that

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they've seen tall men in white robes

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with a I in there on their forehead and

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one of the stories is that these campers

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um were over there cooking some hot dogs

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and they saw these three guys off on the

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hill and they're wearing white robes and

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they descended from the mountain they

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were floating like three feet above the

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ground and they came down and just sort

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of vanished and but they noticed that

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they did have an eye on their forehead

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and there's just so many different

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stories what we're talking about Cyclops

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um well some people theorize that these

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are Lemurians now when i actually did my

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investigation there um I had the

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Secretary of Sylvia Browne with me she

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was one of our psychics and she was

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really good and filling things around

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her and she goes Paul take a picture of

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me now because you're going to be very

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surprised so I take a photo of her and

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right in the background is a tilted

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silver disk UFO and I didn't see it with

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my eyes but when I took the picture of

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her right behind her there's the UFO so

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that I experience and also to the

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communication with Bigfoot where I have

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no explanation how three rocks hit the

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creek after I hit wood on wood three

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times so as communicate

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came back to me three times now we've

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also heard several people have told me

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this that the mountain seems to be very

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magical it even has healing powers I

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know one person says that they told me

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that they that they went there and they

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had terrible eyesight i mean you know i

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mean just bottle glasses and after being

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on Mount Shasta for a day or so their

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eyesight was greatly improved I mean you

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know I can't vouch for that but I have

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no reason not to take the word of that

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particular individual there do there

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does seem to be certain places around

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the planet that are great energy sources

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another one would be a course of Sedona

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in Arizona and probably Stonehenge or

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around that area certainly the pyramids

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in Egypt have you found in other areas

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that you think are magical pool I've

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been a stone henge and that place does

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feel mystical I can't explain it but you

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just you're sort of like you're

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overwhelmed with sort of like happiness

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and that's what I felt there um yes

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there's many many places that um have

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that strong pull mystical pole like

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Mount Shasta and I think everything is

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connected by a ley line I wish I was

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just gonna I was just going to say that

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you read my mind but the heck that's the

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type of program we're on here right yeah

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exactly yeah and you know here's a funny

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thing to buy Mount Shasta ah basque

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watch was seen in mount st. helens it

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was seen in Mount Rainier and now it's

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seen at Mount Shasta bow that Squatch

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yes Beth Squatch no come on you're

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teasing us no no no yeah is that the guy

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in the wait is that the guy in the

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Weekly World News no no no it's a it's a

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creature that looks like a bat and I've

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talked to angel about this before and

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has bat wings and the whole it's sort of

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like moth

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yeah and what's kind of funny is that

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Mount Rainier Mount st. Helens and Mount

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Shasta are all same mountain range the

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Cascades so it seems like there's some

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kind of connection for the basquash go

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from a mount Mount Rainier Mount Saint

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Helens and now Mount Shasta why aren't

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that squash instead of a like a moth man

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what because that mean they're playing

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around with the word sasquatch yeah and

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they call it bat Squatch because it

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looks like a bat and it has bat wings

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man it also to looks like a sasquatch is

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very hairy mm-hmm well that I tell you

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if I saw one of those coming at me I

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think I'd really be yeah i'm i'm at a

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i'm out of breath easy but boy I would I

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would you know click my heels and take

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off on that one yeah slide slide down

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the side of the mountain and now how

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tall is Mount Shasta oh I I really don't

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know um yeah I I couldn't give you the

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correct answer to that I'll have to

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Wikipedia on that one yeah yeah okay but

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I mean it is it is is a people climb yes

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a big mount is a very big mountain and

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it's very and Timothy you've been there

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right no I haven't just because I

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published it a couple of books on the

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subject no I've never been there

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actually I know I got I haven't either i

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don't yet so how do you how do you get

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there okay oh you take i-5 north and you

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go through reading when you hit reading

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you're gonna see it I mean that's how

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big of a mountain it is yeah and there's

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always snow on top in their cities slim

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tick particular clouds that's always

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surrounding it and some people say that

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is some of them are natural but some of

539
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:39,630
them are not natural and that somehow

540
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:44,370
these UFOs put out a missed a cloudy

541
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:47,340
mist around their ships and they hover

542
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:48,360
over

543
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:52,260
Mount Shasta and this one lady said that

544
00:25:58,100 --> 00:25:55,049
looks like a UFO that's surrounded by

545
00:26:00,200 --> 00:25:58,110
clouds and she she used her binoculars

546
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:00,210
she kept on looking at it and looking at

547
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:02,670
it and looking at it and before she knew

548
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:07,350
it she saw silver metal within those

549
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:10,740
clouds she knew there was a UFO hidden

550
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:13,710
inside those clouds well the clouds do

551
00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:16,830
look like UFOs in fact I'm pretty sure

552
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:19,830
that that's where Steven Spielberg musta

553
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,980
got the you know the idea for the UFOs

554
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:25,919
in Close Encounters that were hidden in

555
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:28,470
the clouds it is pretty common i mean

556
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:30,470
people say oh that's just the cloud

557
00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:34,080
inside that cloud or god knows what you

558
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,640
know i mean where they're coming from or

559
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:38,340
whatever now do you think a poll that

560
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:40,410
there really is a base inside of Mount

561
00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:44,340
Shasta well some people who go into the

562
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:47,160
caverns have claimed up and down that

563
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:51,960
they heard running machinery and there's

564
00:27:00,770 --> 00:26:54,809
no explanation for it UFOs are seen

565
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:00,780
coming in and out also 20 American

566
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:04,559
fighter jets haven't actually been seen

567
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:07,500
going into the mountain and coming out

568
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:09,419
of the mountain so there could be a

569
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:13,290
secret military base sir a secret UFO

570
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:17,880
base maybe a combination of both so

571
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:20,370
that's really interesting and also to

572
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:23,220
there have been witnesses who have seen

573
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:27,030
UFOs and after they saw the UFOs they

574
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:30,090
saw Bigfoot so it seems like Bigfoot is

575
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:34,260
associated with UFO activity also to

576
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,140
this one witness claims that he saw a

577
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:40,020
Bigfoot working with a reptilian a

578
00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:45,030
Nordic and a gray and there was a UFO

579
00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:47,309
there the Bigfoot was working alongside

580
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:51,870
all three well that's I don't you know I

581
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:55,710
try to keep my that's that's pretty wild

582
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,809
I mean I I know some people would

583
00:28:01,640 --> 00:27:59,880
believe that I'd have to have a some

584
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:01,650
sort of evidence I you know I want to

585
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:02,100
see some

586
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:04,710
oh that that's the altitude of races

587
00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:08,010
there I mean Travis when Travis you know

588
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:09,270
had his experience I mean he saw

589
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:12,090
humanoid though no humans and he saw the

590
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:15,890
Grays on the ship so there there is that

591
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:18,450
history to this I mean there have been

592
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:20,100
other sightings we know he has mixed

593
00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:22,169
species but to have Bigfoot also

594
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,390
connected that's a little bit weird and

595
00:28:29,539 --> 00:28:26,880
we got a throat we've gotta throw in the

596
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:29,549
the dinosaur that the Carla is holding

597
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:32,970
and in her face market picture yeah

598
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,289
that's that yeah that's from another

599
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:36,720
planet alright yes yes you know you know

600
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,720
in the book that the pole you and I

601
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:41,880
worked on Mount Shasta dweller on two

602
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,090
planets now that book was actually a

603
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,179
channeled backer i think around eighteen

604
00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:50,820
ninety or so was first published in 1905

605
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:53,720
and we bought out a slightly modified

606
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,049
edition with the the language kind of

607
00:29:03,409 --> 00:28:59,520
what would you say modernized so it'd be

608
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:03,419
easier to read but in that book there

609
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:07,380
are actual artwork actual drawings made

610
00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:13,740
by the channeler that show objects

611
00:29:17,779 --> 00:29:15,990
cigar-shaped object said look remarkably

612
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:17,789
similar to the photographs at georgia

613
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:20,370
damn see the contactee George Adamski

614
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:23,940
took many years and later in in in the

615
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,490
state of California as as well and these

616
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:28,679
objects are said to be able to actually

617
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,289
submerge on their bodies of water and

618
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:33,000
these things look exactly like the

619
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,370
photographs of UFOs that are taken today

620
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,860
so something strange is definitely going

621
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:39,840
on in the neighborhood of Mount Shasta

622
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,620
now did you have a sighting you said

623
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,840
that you heard some kind of knocking on

624
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:47,460
wood there but did any of your team

625
00:29:53,289 --> 00:29:51,210
actually have a physical sighting of a

626
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:53,299
Bigfoot or any of these other creatures

627
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,330
no we did a UFO observation at night and

628
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,059
about three investigators claim up and

629
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:02,820
down that they did see UFO activity

630
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:06,539
where they saw objects moving it like

631
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:09,330
hyper speed from point A to point B and

632
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:13,200
then zap out I didn't see that but three

633
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,570
investigators claim they did so

634
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:18,480
um no and when I went in and one of the

635
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:20,100
articles that I think we printed I'm not

636
00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:22,620
sure if it's I in that Booker or not I

637
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:24,800
think there were some photographs even

638
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:26,850
that were taken I don't know if they

639
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:28,230
were your team members or people that

640
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:31,080
you were working with or observers that

641
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:35,010
gave you the pictures later on ah yes

642
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:38,760
I'm um oh boy that's an old article too

643
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:41,910
ah yeah well I got you know it's funny I

644
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:43,710
can't find my keys and I don't remember

645
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:45,690
my phone number but i can tell you

646
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:48,090
letters they were written to be 50 years

647
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,320
ago and where they are in my file

648
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:51,840
cabinet hahaha that's why I'm the

649
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,570
world's greatest ufologist that's nice

650
00:30:59,030 --> 00:30:57,120
are you headed outside of Nick Redford

651
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:59,040
I'm sure because we r we gonna have him

652
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:01,950
out a little while what 900 of vest

653
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:03,690
geishas everything becomes a gray area

654
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:06,840
but deal the one photo that stands out

655
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:09,510
in my mind from Mount Shasta is where

656
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:11,310
I'm taking a picture of the psychic and

657
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:13,620
right behind her yeah it's a tilted

658
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:18,000
silver disc UFO and broad daylight yeah

659
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:20,490
so that one sticks out in my mind and

660
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,090
there are certain things that in my

661
00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:26,340
investigations that will stick out other

662
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:31,470
things fade away yeah now how about it

663
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:34,650
okay so you've investigated the UFOs

664
00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:37,530
Bigfoot how about the Men in Black you

665
00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:41,540
ever had a confrontation with them um

666
00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:46,350
mmm I had a situation where I did an

667
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:49,470
interview with a guy who claimed he was

668
00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:52,950
a former men in black in fact that

669
00:31:59,780 --> 00:31:55,940
interview is still on the internet it

670
00:32:01,790 --> 00:31:59,790
caused an uproar in fact i had almost

671
00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:01,800
every ufologists calling me on the

672
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,150
telephone about it but this guy claims

673
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:08,960
that somewhere in the South Pacific that

674
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,270
at a young age he was trying to be a min

675
00:32:16,550 --> 00:32:14,700
and black and what was unique and I

676
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:16,560
can't think of the island's name I would

677
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:18,780
have to look at the interview again but

678
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:22,350
they uh these ufologist said that's not

679
00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:24,270
really advertise that much but there's a

680
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:27,540
lot of UFO activity on the island that

681
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:28,710
he was talking about

682
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,020
and because the fact that there wasn't

683
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:33,779
that much publicity about it they felt

684
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:36,419
there was some form of truth on what he

685
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:40,559
was saying and what they think is that

686
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:43,230
he's not a min and black but he was a

687
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,860
disinformation officer that contacted me

688
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:48,240
because he knew I was going to put out

689
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:50,100
the information what he was telling me

690
00:32:57,649 --> 00:32:55,890
and that's what caused the uproar you

691
00:33:00,669 --> 00:32:57,659
know what I was I was very curious about

692
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:00,679
it in your credits here you mentioned a

693
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:04,049
a special that you were on Michael

694
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,270
Jackson you are not alone in search of

695
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:08,820
his spirit how did you manage to get on

696
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:11,370
a show about Michael Jackson and how

697
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:13,460
does that relate to the paranormal

698
00:33:26,659 --> 00:33:19,080
Simone hahahaha okay I wrote an article

699
00:33:28,419 --> 00:33:26,669
about let me get my glove here tent go

700
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:28,429
ahead I wrote I wrote an article about

701
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:32,010
Richard Trenton chase aka the vampire of

702
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:34,500
Sacramento and he was a serial killer

703
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:37,140
right here in Sacramento and because of

704
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:41,070
that 24 productions in England got a

705
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:43,230
hold on me and they made a documentary

706
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:47,039
about this serial killer well because

707
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,010
they knew me they're also to doing a

708
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:52,500
documentary on looking for the ghost of

709
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:56,039
Michael Jackson so they contacted me and

710
00:34:01,519 --> 00:33:59,580
said hey meet us down to Los Angeles

711
00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:01,529
because we're doing this documentary and

712
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:05,309
boom that's how I got in there so did

713
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,730
you contact michael jackson uh we got an

714
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:11,280
EVP and i don't think it's michael

715
00:34:16,099 --> 00:34:13,070
jackson but i think it's a ghost

716
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,109
imitating Michael Jackson because we go

717
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:19,200
Wow yeah we go Michael are you here and

718
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:21,830
it's like a little child's voice says

719
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:27,119
Michael and yeah exactly and okay i

720
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:29,369
won't i won't i won't go near that one

721
00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:32,040
even in the afterlife he has he has

722
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:34,470
impersonators that's amazing yeah it is

723
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:37,800
and yeah yeah and yet we have six

724
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:41,550
cameras okay that were filming us and I

725
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:42,540
do quick and dirty

726
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:45,360
EVPs that means quick and dirty what I

727
00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:47,700
do is I'll say something simple are you

728
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:51,360
here talk to me and I pause give it time

729
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:55,260
to talk and then play it back is a quick

730
00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:57,270
and dirty so I'm over here Michael if

731
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:00,030
you're here and also to now check this

732
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:03,090
out we actually had a piece of his scalp

733
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:06,470
and we have some of his hair any a

734
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:10,770
janitor piece of his scalp yes I'm not

735
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:12,060
one of the pieces that were right at

736
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:16,110
hand Lord you get that remember 1984 the

737
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:19,050
Pepsi commercial in his haircut fun yeah

738
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:21,810
okay here he was dancing on stage his

739
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:24,450
hair catches on fire we're at the same

740
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:27,720
theater where they filmed that it was

741
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:31,470
called a shrine auditorium and uh this

742
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:35,760
janitor found it went on ebay sold his

743
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,220
scalp in him for a Chow $10,000 so this

744
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,220
guy wanted for ten thousand dollars

745
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:46,800
brought to scalp brought the hair and

746
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:50,880
Bobby March chest Jesco okay who's a

747
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:53,820
channeler channel Michael Jackson says

748
00:35:59,540 --> 00:35:56,760
okay I'm channeling him I had the scalp

749
00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:59,550
i am the hair here Paul do your thing so

750
00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:01,470
I'm doing these quick and dirty I got

751
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,080
six cameras on me and I said Michael are

752
00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:07,440
you here taught to me and I play it back

753
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:09,740
in front of six cameras and I get

754
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:16,370
Michael does sound like my god no that's

755
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:20,760
that was him doing my you know you know

756
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,110
how you can tell when it's a Michael

757
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:24,480
Jackson authentic EVP for Michael

758
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,730
that's the only real Michael Jackson EVP

759
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:37,920
so sure about what does someone even

760
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:41,460
mean I don't know but you do that this

761
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:43,650
is that good yeah yeah look that's how

762
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:45,510
great market was he can make up words

763
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:47,130
and they look like toe that's a hit song

764
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:52,140
shamone but now you know what it means

765
00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:55,170
but it's great Paul you mentioned in

766
00:37:00,260 --> 00:36:56,540
your ear

767
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:00,270
bio hear that you've also investigated

768
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:03,540
the poltergeists and demons well now do

769
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:06,210
you think that Michael Jackson I mean

770
00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:08,670
the voice that's coming through possibly

771
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:13,580
a demon's have the ability to mimic

772
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:16,170
people I mean you know people that have

773
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:17,700
passed over that might have been loved

774
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:20,280
ones friends and so forth do you think

775
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:23,220
that demons first of all do exist then

776
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:24,780
and second of all do they have that

777
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:28,110
capability Oh Michael Jackson oh yeah

778
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:31,110
absolutely I I do not believe that was

779
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:33,630
Michael Jackson okay I think it was

780
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:37,050
something an entity could be a demon it

781
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:40,610
could be a ghost mischievious ghost uh

782
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:44,460
saying Michael so yeah I I definitely

783
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,230
don't believe us Michael and it could be

784
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,960
a demon Smart Play they're appalled her

785
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,400
Roberts cuz the Michael Jackson fans

786
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:52,200
were eaten your life if you actually

787
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,110
would said that was Michael Jackson

788
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:56,700
hahaha you know they're rabid man I

789
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,220
still get all have a scalp that's yeah

790
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:01,680
that's bananas yeah like yeah that guy

791
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:04,500
paid ten thousand dollars for a piece of

792
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:07,500
escape that's hair yeah well learn

793
00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:09,780
people some people might think that he

794
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:12,990
got scalped but Jesus oh my god uses the

795
00:38:18,350 --> 00:38:15,570
secrets unraveled oh my goodness and now

796
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:18,360
check this out he's taken that scalp and

797
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:24,510
hair and making a diamond well how how

798
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:27,150
yeah how does that work they compress it

799
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,780
so hard they actually create a diamond

800
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:32,940
yeah yeah this guy's got too much money

801
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,300
yeah well you too much time on his hands

802
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:39,240
yeah he was yeah he was definitely rich

803
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,290
yeah well he pickin why doesn't he he

804
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:45,480
could sponsor the show then that's a

805
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:49,860
shame hey so what what about demons then

806
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:52,410
I mean are they really the the henchmen

807
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,640
of Satan d believe in the angels and

808
00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:59,400
Satan and the biblical you know

809
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:02,820
references to all of this I definitely

810
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:05,820
believe in angels uh and if there's

811
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:08,820
angels it's got to be demons um there's

812
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:09,990
only a couple k

813
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:13,920
this is where I actually thought it was

814
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,350
demonic everything else I kind of think

815
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:19,680
is BS a lot of people ago we got a demon

816
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:21,930
in house and I see a demon in carpet

817
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:24,210
blah blah blah do you see the demon face

818
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:28,050
oh oh I'm possessed but how come you're

819
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:30,420
not spider walking on the ceiling it's

820
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:34,770
like you know I you don't deserve Carl

821
00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:37,170
and I think that all the time I've done

822
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:39,600
that twice this weekend yeah I'm so so

823
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:40,740
what do you think the difference is with

824
00:39:47,570 --> 00:39:43,350
the UFOs and and the angels and the

825
00:39:50,330 --> 00:39:47,580
demons there's really not much because

826
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:50,340
they're all extraterrestrial if you look

827
00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:53,310
at it demons if they were fallen angels

828
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:55,950
angels are from the heavens heavens that

829
00:40:01,220 --> 00:39:58,020
means they're not trust role that they

830
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:01,230
are extraterrestrial and also to I

831
00:40:06,350 --> 00:40:04,680
believe that entities may have there's

832
00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:06,360
entities out there they have matter

833
00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:08,670
bodies there's entities and out there

834
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:10,590
they have matter bodies that can

835
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:14,640
transform into energy bodies and I think

836
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:16,820
there's entities I mean

837
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:18,840
extraterrestrials out there who have

838
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:21,720
pure energy bottle bodies and that's why

839
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:23,490
you here last stories your UFO

840
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,310
abductions where the aliens the grace

841
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,920
are going through the wall and when they

842
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:31,560
abduct somebody they bring the abductee

843
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,990
through the wall and they don't know how

844
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,760
it happens but they're going right

845
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,920
through the wall why because they're

846
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:40,800
going from matter to energy and they're

847
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:45,240
going right to the wall hmm so do you

848
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,250
think that you think that the aliens are

849
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:49,440
so you think there's aliens angels and

850
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:51,890
demons or do you think that the aliens

851
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,660
could be demonic it's because it's been

852
00:40:59,090 --> 00:40:56,280
coming up lately in the show so I'm just

853
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:59,100
wonder what your take is on it what do

854
00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:00,180
you think they're angels do you think

855
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:02,550
that they're either well the Anunnaki

856
00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:07,230
supposedly looked like us and it seems

857
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:10,040
like the ancient people confuse them for

858
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:13,020
angels they saw them flowing around and

859
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,619
everything else they considered some of

860
00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:18,359
them as angels and then some of the

861
00:41:29,090 --> 00:41:22,860
Annunaki were mating with human females

862
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,100
and so the it could be all originating

863
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:32,400
from the uninor key that they are they

864
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:34,770
people confuse them and or call them

865
00:41:42,070 --> 00:41:38,850
angels and maybe they are angels uh who

866
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:42,080
knows and some of them go against uh

867
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,780
inky uh which is the half-brother to in

868
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:47,820
lil and that's I read something else

869
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:51,720
yeah I find that really interesting if

870
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,130
you don't believe you don't believe in

871
00:41:57,980 --> 00:41:56,040
that do you Tim I'm not yeah you know I

872
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:57,990
don't know the thing with the Annunaki

873
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:00,300
I'm kind of skeptical about because why

874
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,190
why wasn't anybody researching this

875
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,560
you're talking about this until Zecharia

876
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,780
Sitchin it came along you know yeah I

877
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:09,240
mean it's just like hey somebody says

878
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:10,680
something and they jump on it you know

879
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:12,300
the bandwagon and all of a sudden

880
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:15,000
everybody's got information and and

881
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,490
stories I mean suppose zecharia sitchin

882
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:19,500
is wrong and then so all these stories

883
00:42:23,330 --> 00:42:21,150
are just for naught I don't know who

884
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:23,340
knows I'm actually no itching he was to

885
00:42:29,090 --> 00:42:26,190
choose a biblical uh no no no hockey on

886
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:29,100
or we could do a whole program we could

887
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,650
do actually what he was not actually our

888
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:34,200
checkout Sitchin is wrong calm he could

889
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:35,790
never provide any proof that he was a

890
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:38,250
scholar in any language he was taken to

891
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:41,010
task and he was dared to debate by a

892
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:43,410
gentleman who he would not dare to

893
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:46,710
confront now though the one time that I

894
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,730
saw him he came to our a new york 14

895
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:54,000
society meeting to give a talk and when

896
00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:56,370
anybody would ask him a question in the

897
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,470
audience he would say it's in the book

898
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:00,720
he wouldn't he wouldn't directly answer

899
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:02,490
anything I don't know I'm skeptical

900
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:04,770
about you know by the way Michael dr.

901
00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:06,810
michael heizer is the the person I'm

902
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:08,100
talking about and I really should look

903
00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:10,170
into what he put together he was on

904
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:12,270
coast to coast and he openly challenged

905
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:15,270
zecharia sitchin to debate him yes agent

906
00:43:19,610 --> 00:43:17,610
turned him down he knows yes yes fiction

907
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:19,620
wrote how many he is written at he wrote

908
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,170
a dozen books on this which seems to be

909
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:23,760
kind of why waste your life on something

910
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:26,010
that you really don't believe in or you

911
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:27,630
have no evidence of any way there's

912
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:29,220
money to buy it in there my friend money

913
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:31,110
well you know come on a call this

914
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,050
morning led by the book too I'm

915
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,460
surprised you surprised how much money

916
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:36,480
he makes is going down

917
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:38,700
little tours when he was done oh come

918
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:40,320
buddy he lectured for thirty-five

919
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:43,500
dollars here you know that's now that

920
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,530
you know that the idea surprise yep you

921
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,000
would be surprised angel because I've

922
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,920
been doing this for 50 years the amount

923
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,540
of money you didn't you didn't have the

924
00:43:56,570 --> 00:43:53,670
the whole Annunaki thing behind you well

925
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,580
that's that's true that's a major that's

926
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:58,980
a myth it's giant it's giant it's

927
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:01,260
gigantic anyway in high and he's more

928
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,850
you made a lot about a lot of books give

929
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,500
me money on his books believe time time

930
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:06,900
time is rolling along and appending

931
00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:10,590
anyway up or can you just tell us what

932
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:11,820
are you working on now what's your

933
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:14,520
current investigation and how to how do

934
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:16,460
people find out about what you're doing

935
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:19,500
okay okay well one thing is all they

936
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:21,330
have to do is google my name Paul Dale

937
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,420
Roberts and they will find all my

938
00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:26,760
articles everything so I'm really easy

939
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:31,320
to find and a lot of my information it's

940
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,090
right at ww jasma online we got some

941
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,700
cases coming up we're supposed to have

942
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:40,980
one in santa rosa is supposed to be

943
00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:43,530
demonic the people are freaked out so

944
00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:46,590
we're going to check that out we're

945
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:48,750
gonna go back to Mount Shasta hopefully

946
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:54,150
um the summer so um oh maybe maybe I'll

947
00:45:01,940 --> 00:44:58,740
join our sky dive in hahaha baby me and

948
00:45:05,090 --> 00:45:01,950
Carla will skydive oh yeah an angel will

949
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:05,100
be piling on the plane I want no part of

950
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:07,980
that plane I like my feet on the ground

951
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:10,619
thank you very much anyway anyway Paul I

952
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:12,150
want to thank you for being on you have

953
00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:14,790
some fascinating information and I'm

954
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:17,820
sure we will hook up again and rock and

955
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:20,490
roll all night and watch out for Bigfoot

956
00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:24,030
that's all I can say and what oh thank

957
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:26,790
you carla Tim and angel it was really

958
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:29,700
nice talking to everybody and it's break

959
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:41,420
we have with us Nick Redfern the

960
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:47,370
ultimate UFO pop star Nick now depending

961
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:50,070
upon when this abaayo i have here in

962
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:52,020
front of me was written nick has

963
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,630
authored more than 30 books on UFOs Lake

964
00:46:01,040 --> 00:45:56,880
Monsters Bigfoot the abominable snowman

965
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:01,050
Hollywood scandals memories of some of

966
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:02,760
the titles or memories of a monster

967
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,450
hunter the real men in black the NASA

968
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,160
conspiracies keep out the pyramids and

969
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:11,520
the Pentagon the list goes on and on and

970
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:15,450
on and nick is a great writer I mean

971
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:18,120
it's Omni [\h__\h] that's well we'll get to

972
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:19,890
that in just a second but Nick is a

973
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,510
great writer you know there are other

974
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:23,640
people who could turn out volume after

975
00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:26,520
volume but there they leave a lot of

976
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:29,190
loose ends well nick is it not only is

977
00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:31,320
he a good author but he's a good

978
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,860
researcher as well and a friend of mine

979
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:37,920
and I welcome him to the microphone here

980
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:40,110
this evening Nick how are you down there

981
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:43,380
in Texas hi guys I'm doing good thanks

982
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:45,690
yeah I know we you were scheduled to be

983
00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:49,610
on the last week but you got silenced

984
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:53,190
forget about the man in black also the

985
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:56,070
same cousin has was the men in black

986
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,680
yeah it was just the weather and it

987
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,260
knocked everything out and actually

988
00:47:06,110 --> 00:47:03,480
wednesday on thursday this week we got

989
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:06,120
another four inches of snow and it's

990
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:09,060
sort of yes that's that's my business

991
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:11,790
even that's my biggest fear is during a

992
00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:14,190
snowstorm to to be in a black out as

993
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,230
well you know because it's just way too

994
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,780
much you know no you know well I grew up

995
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,460
in England we get a lot of snow there

996
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:22,440
and so if you don't really bother me i

997
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:24,290
was out my driving any or whatever but

998
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:27,210
you know when you sort of lose your

999
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:28,830
electric or whatever and that's not much

1000
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:32,700
fun yeah not that now Nick how long have

1001
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,390
you been searching researching all of

1002
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:38,400
this now I've known you oh I don't know

1003
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:39,990
I guess we did our first radio show

1004
00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:43,440
maybe six years ago or so in fact you

1005
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:47,430
you told us about a very strange

1006
00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:49,380
incident in your home where you

1007
00:47:53,110 --> 00:47:51,600
saw something that resembled a werewolf

1008
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:53,120
and of course we want to hear about that

1009
00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:56,190
but you were you were writing about

1010
00:48:01,220 --> 00:47:58,950
music is that correct ya well what what

1011
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:01,230
was when I finished school back in

1012
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:03,660
England I wasn't I wasn't really the

1013
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:08,280
best pupil you know Ashley's how to say

1014
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:11,700
the least you know as one of these who I

1015
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:14,010
didn't really understand why I needed to

1016
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:15,870
learn algebra because who uses algebra

1017
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:17,310
when you left school when you leave

1018
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:20,190
school nobody uses it you know what you

1019
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:22,770
saw at me to know what the rainfall is

1020
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:25,350
in Argentina or something you know and I

1021
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:27,210
just didn't enjoy her getting like the

1022
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:29,370
fat tire to wear a stupid school uniform

1023
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,070
and office business and so I just

1024
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:34,200
literally well I got pushy could leave

1025
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:37,550
school at sixteen in England and and

1026
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:40,110
what happened was I was still due to

1027
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:42,450
have another year but you can lease are

1028
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:45,930
just as i'm done and walked out and I

1029
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:47,370
didn't know what I was going to do you

1030
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:49,170
know as went from being at school to be

1031
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,500
in the big wide world and didn't

1032
00:48:59,020 --> 00:48:54,660
graduate on nothing I was you know as

1033
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,030
one of those destined for I do you know

1034
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:02,400
writing books or I don't know what but

1035
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:04,710
anyway what happened was just purely by

1036
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:06,630
chance I was looking around and I saw

1037
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:09,330
that there was an opening on a new

1038
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:11,730
magazine that was being launched called

1039
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:14,750
zero and it was basically for sort of

1040
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:17,340
teenagers and you know penned in the 20s

1041
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,910
and it would cover my music fashion

1042
00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:23,280
entertain and that kind of thing and

1043
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:25,590
they were looking to take people on just

1044
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:27,570
you know just out of school and whatever

1045
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:29,850
so I've already said the interest since

1046
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,290
I went for the interview and they said

1047
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:33,000
well you know you'll be sort of

1048
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:35,070
interviewing bands and go to concerts

1049
00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:37,230
and reviewing them and as I said that

1050
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:40,230
down you know they didn't own them it

1051
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:43,950
kinda shows perfect you know and and I

1052
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,750
did too worked on this magazine for

1053
00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:48,000
about two years and they sort of taught

1054
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,120
me all the aspects of writing and

1055
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:54,240
editing and proofreading and you know

1056
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:56,310
how to structure articles and that kind

1057
00:50:00,920 --> 00:49:59,160
of thing and and although it wasn't very

1058
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,930
good at school I'd always always enjoyed

1059
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:03,240
reading you know as a big reader

1060
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,090
no wasn't particularly good at school

1061
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:08,640
and so it that appeal to me and you know

1062
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:10,940
it's kind of one of these things where I

1063
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,530
guess different people can do different

1064
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:15,420
things i found i could write you know

1065
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,150
somebody else could be like a great

1066
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:19,619
carpenters somebody else could be you

1067
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:22,830
know some an artist or a car mechanic

1068
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:25,610
you know they just got that talent and

1069
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,070
and so I enjoy doing it and got sort of

1070
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:31,800
positive results and you know i could

1071
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:34,170
just turn up in jeans and t-shirt and

1072
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,020
get paid for interviews bands and that

1073
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:39,119
kind of thing well you know the music

1074
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:41,580
the music field was certainly a training

1075
00:50:47,330 --> 00:50:45,090
ground for for many a writer in fact i

1076
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:47,340
went through that period is well of

1077
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,420
course i was more of a rock and rock and

1078
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,920
roller i guess would be considered

1079
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:55,920
classic rock today but it was the pseudo

1080
00:51:03,280 --> 00:50:59,040
of forerunners of a heavy metal in fact

1081
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:03,290
the first band that I went backstage and

1082
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,420
the hang out with was Black Sabbath I

1083
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:08,760
was walking by the I was walking by the

1084
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:13,050
fillmore east and there was a biker who

1085
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:15,780
was like his working security standing

1086
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:17,850
there and for some reason instead of

1087
00:51:22,310 --> 00:51:19,890
growling at me like a lot of bikers

1088
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:22,320
would we got into a conversation and the

1089
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:24,810
guy said to me you want to go inside you

1090
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:26,520
want to go backstage and I said sure so

1091
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:29,369
I went back stage and I've never come

1092
00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:33,630
out I think that I spent I spent 40

1093
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:35,820
years i think i spent 40 years backstage

1094
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:38,520
with just about every band from Black

1095
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:40,500
Sabbath to the rolling stones in Madison

1096
00:51:46,099 --> 00:51:42,510
Square Garden and I had some interesting

1097
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,109
times I mean it was a I can't say that

1098
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:48,180
it was one big party after another but

1099
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:49,609
they're certainly where a few parties

1100
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:52,440
thrown in and I met a lot of interesting

1101
00:51:58,220 --> 00:51:56,250
people and promoted a few bands that I'm

1102
00:52:01,310 --> 00:51:58,230
still can contact with on you know on

1103
00:52:03,740 --> 00:52:01,320
facebook and all and it was a heck of an

1104
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,750
experience but then I've written about

1105
00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:05,520
me I've written about everything I you

1106
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:07,560
know I get I've edited 30 different

1107
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:10,170
magazines most of which had never lasted

1108
00:52:14,420 --> 00:52:11,310
more than like two or three issues

1109
00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:14,430
except for UFO universe which lasted 11

1110
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:16,950
years before the bottom of the

1111
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,530
magazine publishing business fell out

1112
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:21,540
now I notice that there seems to be

1113
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:23,490
obviously more magazines published in

1114
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:25,500
England to this day than there are here

1115
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:28,470
in the United States I mean it just it

1116
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:30,329
hardly exists don't know what that is

1117
00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:32,609
because I mean it's not like you know

1118
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:35,070
the Internet is any less present in the

1119
00:52:40,550 --> 00:52:37,619
UK but people still like to go out and

1120
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:40,560
buy magazines and it's like in England

1121
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:42,930
learn you know about a dozen or so daily

1122
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:45,420
national newspapers you know that

1123
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:46,920
assault all across the country whereas

1124
00:52:49,940 --> 00:52:48,270
you know over here you get like the new

1125
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:49,950
york times or the Dallas Morning News

1126
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,380
you get national newspapers and they

1127
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,480
sell like the Sun and the Daily Mail

1128
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:56,460
they sell millions of copies every day

1129
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:58,740
you know and so I don't know why that is

1130
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:00,180
I guess it's just you know different

1131
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:02,430
trends but different countries but under

1132
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:04,140
well it might it must be something too

1133
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,990
about the way magazines are distributed

1134
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,599
over there because here and I know I've

1135
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,400
been in you know in involved in many

1136
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:13,619
aspects of publishing you end up

1137
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:15,960
printing you know 90,000 magazines in

1138
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:18,210
the end they end up selling you know a

1139
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:22,050
certain percentage like 25 35 maybe 40

1140
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,780
percent and the rest of them are into

1141
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:26,400
the shredder or sold at flea markets

1142
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:29,460
with the top of the front page a ripped

1143
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,470
offer or something but there's no where

1144
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:33,240
to buy a magazine anymore outside of

1145
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,480
barnes and noble even here in Manhattan

1146
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:38,400
just like one place down in Greenwich

1147
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:39,660
Village that I know of that has a

1148
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,790
selection of magazines otherwise the

1149
00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:43,619
magazine shops are now selling lottery

1150
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:48,349
tickets and cigars excuse me gentlemen

1151
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:52,710
gentlemen yes oh I hate to interrupt

1152
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:54,359
that's all I hear back I want to hear

1153
00:54:05,030 --> 00:53:59,730
about the werewolf like a long time like

1154
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:05,040
it was after just one other thing I

1155
00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:06,599
would say I still actually do a lot of

1156
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,480
sort of music stuff and just mainstream

1157
00:54:13,579 --> 00:54:11,460
journalism because you know a lot of

1158
00:54:16,579 --> 00:54:13,589
people i'm sure most Hypno's you know

1159
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:16,589
writing can be a very sort of precarious

1160
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:18,810
job self-employed you know it's gotta be

1161
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:20,220
a passion you go have a passion for each

1162
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:22,950
but it's your job as well you know it is

1163
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:24,839
a precarious job unless you're like

1164
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,200
stephen king or JK Rowling's so you know

1165
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:30,240
I do a lot of people so that I guess

1166
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:30,810
know me

1167
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,450
right in the books but I mean I do a lot

1168
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:35,940
of regular magazine and newspaper work

1169
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,520
and I'm like actually a regular feature

1170
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:41,040
writer for Pentos and a lot of people

1171
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,530
don't know that well I used to be the

1172
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:45,240
movie I used to be the movie review

1173
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,490
critic for hustler magazine and they're

1174
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:49,680
still there's actually one gal who does

1175
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:52,170
promotion at penthouse that I I still

1176
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:54,420
know and a fellow who used to work there

1177
00:54:58,610 --> 00:54:56,220
who lives in Texas somewhere maybe it's

1178
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,620
New Mexico tom there's a old-time a

1179
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:02,160
friend of mine so yeah yeah I'm

1180
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:03,810
surprised a kind of the they're still

1181
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:06,780
publishing because most of the Delta

1182
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,570
entertainment or male sophisticates or

1183
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,460
what they really known of in the

1184
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:13,920
magazine trade our online that now

1185
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:16,380
they're to find a newstand yeah yeah

1186
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:19,290
even 7-eleven you can't find a playboy

1187
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:22,290
anymore I don't think not that I little

1188
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:23,970
higher than I've looked yet I've always

1189
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:25,940
thought off of the articles myself yeah

1190
00:55:33,110 --> 00:55:28,890
okay you gotta look high at him high

1191
00:55:35,090 --> 00:55:33,120
shelves you know me Oh dick dick so what

1192
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:35,100
changes direction for music to all the

1193
00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:37,140
sudden writing about other things um

1194
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:39,150
well it wasn't so much alike sort of

1195
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:41,010
changed as I said I still do a lot of it

1196
00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:42,540
I guess you should see more you have an

1197
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:45,030
experience that led you down that that's

1198
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:47,880
here no i didn't but my dad did he was

1199
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:49,890
in the British Royal Air Force and

1200
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:51,900
worked on radar and he had a couple of

1201
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:55,980
UFO incidents where they were tracking

1202
00:55:59,840 --> 00:55:57,540
these weird things flying across the

1203
00:56:02,510 --> 00:55:59,850
English Channel and the North seeing it

1204
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:02,520
sort of fantastic speeds and doing all

1205
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:05,160
sorts of weird maneuvers and so even

1206
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,810
though this is back in the 50s and even

1207
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:09,240
though you know they had no idea what

1208
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,770
they were the first thought was well

1209
00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:12,240
it's got to be the Russians even though

1210
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:15,030
that seemed unlikely so they scrambled

1211
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:17,250
aircraft to try and intercept them and

1212
00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:19,710
the pilots just couldn't get close but

1213
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:24,230
the guys are reading the radar screens

1214
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:26,280
we're saying that the objects were

1215
00:56:29,330 --> 00:56:28,020
clearly reacting to the presence of the

1216
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:29,340
aircraft you know they'd move away and

1217
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:31,230
play like games of cat-and-mouse with

1218
00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:33,840
them and my dad was brought in because

1219
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:36,390
he was a radar mechanic and he so he was

1220
00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:38,340
brought in to check if the equipment was

1221
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:40,380
actually malfunctioning and it was

1222
00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:41,910
causing you a glitch that wasn't really

1223
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:43,470
there but he actually wasn't and then

1224
00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:44,250
they found out

1225
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:46,590
other bases along the east coast of

1226
00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:49,020
England we're also tracking them this

1227
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,630
happened other three nights and my dad

1228
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:53,760
is basically they're all told you you

1229
00:56:59,810 --> 00:56:56,670
want to talk about this and my dad

1230
00:57:02,330 --> 00:56:59,820
didn't tell me till I was about 13 14

1231
00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:02,340
and that's what got me interested but as

1232
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,190
I said I'd always been a big reader and

1233
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:07,920
you know I was reading sort of John Cale

1234
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:10,920
stuff you know 13 14 after you know my

1235
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:12,510
dad saw me restored it got interesting

1236
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:15,660
like John Cale and brad steiger things

1237
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:19,410
like that and after doing the sort of

1238
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:21,240
magazine work for a few years I thought

1239
00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:23,820
well why not try and combine the two the

1240
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:25,350
background had sort of developed in

1241
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,130
writing and combine it with the interest

1242
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:31,500
that I developed in paranormal stuff so

1243
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:33,330
that's pretty much what kicked it off

1244
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:35,910
was sort of my dad telling me about his

1245
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:40,650
experience mm-hmm and so I got him to

1246
00:57:48,110 --> 00:57:45,900
blame it on again yes so it's only

1247
00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:48,120
because people seem to enjoy Tim said

1248
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:50,820
you did a book on zombies as well yeah

1249
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:53,250
that one came out last year was called

1250
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:55,350
the zombie book very stunningly original

1251
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:58,170
name and then what was your take on the

1252
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:00,750
zombies I hate zombies oh you do oh well

1253
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:03,510
they baby bed not read the book no no

1254
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,190
watch walking there Jesus yeah I mean

1255
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,480
everybody wants to survive I don't want

1256
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:07,920
to survive it just sounds like a

1257
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:09,450
horrible way to live you know I just

1258
00:58:15,830 --> 00:58:13,140
don't look like much fun well basically

1259
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:15,840
the book is like eight I think they

1260
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:17,940
actually the longest book I've done it's

1261
00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:21,720
like 400 pages and about 150 thousand

1262
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:25,350
words he's like an A to Z style book on

1263
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:27,330
everything to do with zombies whether in

1264
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,410
movies TVs novels but also in the real

1265
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:33,720
world you know with their entries like

1266
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:37,920
on voodoo and attempts in the past to

1267
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,650
raise the dead and and things like this

1268
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,200
and entries on viruses and how real

1269
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:46,140
world viruses work versus the sort of

1270
00:58:52,310 --> 00:58:49,710
the fictional viruses of a zombie movies

1271
00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:52,320
and also entries on how zombies have

1272
00:58:57,020 --> 00:58:54,030
changed over the years you know if you

1273
00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:57,030
get today zombies are either shambling

1274
00:59:00,680 --> 00:58:57,960
or fast running

1275
00:59:02,359 --> 00:59:00,690
but it's all connected like viruses in

1276
00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:02,369
the end of the world which is go back to

1277
00:59:07,099 --> 00:59:04,560
like the movies in the 30s and the 40s

1278
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,109
like I walk with a zombie and king of

1279
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:09,599
the zombies never all they weren't

1280
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:11,130
actually people are dead they were they

1281
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:13,500
were sort of mind control via voodoo

1282
00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:16,650
yeah hypnotic techniques and so in other

1283
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:19,980
words it was really only with a George

1284
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,500
Romero and a couple of earlier feels

1285
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:24,180
like plague of the zombies and the last

1286
00:59:31,579 --> 00:59:27,960
man on earth that really sorted to cross

1287
00:59:34,099 --> 00:59:31,589
over where zombies from the servicemen

1288
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:34,109
late sixties onwards because it's only

1289
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,030
associate you would like the apocalypse

1290
00:59:41,660 --> 00:59:39,180
rather a photo unit completely a

1291
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:41,670
complete each genre Nick real quick i'm

1292
00:59:45,980 --> 00:59:44,099
going back to your father's experience

1293
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,990
how do you think had he not had that

1294
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,280
experience that you would still be

1295
00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:49,680
interested in UFOs you volunteer the

1296
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:53,339
paranormal oh and may I mean I think you

1297
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,619
know if you're interested you're going

1298
01:00:00,740 --> 00:59:57,540
to gravitate to it at some point anyway

1299
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:00,750
so maybe but I mean certainly that was

1300
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:03,690
one of the things this if not the sort

1301
01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:06,210
of defining thing that may be the way

1302
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:07,859
you know not just because it was my own

1303
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,690
dad but also because he was you know in

1304
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:12,000
the military and knew had to read the

1305
01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:14,760
radar equipment and so he just SAT you

1306
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:16,619
down did he sit you down until you to

1307
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:17,790
tell you about this like did it affect

1308
01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:21,359
him well actually what it was we went to

1309
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:23,700
see thee Close Encounters of the Third

1310
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:28,410
Kind movie they came out and I forget

1311
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:29,730
what you wear that was but I was like I

1312
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:32,010
know 11 or something like that so that's

1313
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:33,900
suddenly how I'm I think women sometimes

1314
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:36,920
I am whatever year it was I don't know

1315
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:39,510
but anyway he told me the store when we

1316
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:41,670
got back home he was like well you know

1317
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:44,070
what did you think of the film oh it's

1318
01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:45,660
pretty good yeah I'm matching a light

1319
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:48,150
hora stuff actually not ironic a big fan

1320
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:50,760
of sci-fi but I thought the film was

1321
01:00:54,380 --> 01:00:52,650
pretty good and I said that to him and

1322
01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:54,390
he's like well you know there's I'll

1323
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:56,550
tell you a story but when we were in the

1324
01:01:01,220 --> 01:00:59,160
Air Force and what's interesting is that

1325
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:01,230
since he told me that story actually

1326
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:04,290
managed to track down other people who

1327
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:06,030
were also involved in the incidence of

1328
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:09,450
the radar people up and down the same

1329
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:11,610
goes like at the exact same time

1330
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:14,370
but at a different pace and so that sort

1331
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:16,950
of got me interested and then I guess

1332
01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:20,370
you know that during journalism that

1333
01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:21,870
made me think wow you know if it's sort

1334
01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:24,270
of investing a Miss and write about it

1335
01:01:28,460 --> 01:01:26,760
but I guess I'll never really know you

1336
01:01:31,610 --> 01:01:28,470
know if you hadn't told me I might have

1337
01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:31,620
just sort of stayed in more normal gym

1338
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:32,760
would have been he would have been doing

1339
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:33,900
like a cooking show or something like

1340
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:37,680
that yeah you know it's funny uh the

1341
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:40,500
movie actually came on in 1977 a mouth

1342
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:42,410
before I was a month before I was born

1343
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:46,500
uh-huh you might realize that's good for

1344
01:01:53,660 --> 01:01:51,930
you next and here we are all these years

1345
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,670
later mate Nick can you remember the

1346
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:54,960
first article that you wrote on the

1347
01:02:01,880 --> 01:01:58,020
subject what it was about about UFOs

1348
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:01,890
yeah um and where do you get your

1349
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,400
information for the very good question

1350
01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:08,880
them well actually not a pretty I forget

1351
01:02:13,610 --> 01:02:10,620
what he was I'm pretty sure it was a UFO

1352
01:02:16,220 --> 01:02:13,620
book I can tell you is for those in

1353
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,230
England up until that 2005 there was a

1354
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:18,480
magazine newsome magazine cool UFO

1355
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:20,910
magazine put out by name but well the

1356
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:23,370
quality gram died in the magazine folded

1357
01:02:29,810 --> 01:02:27,660
back in the mid 80s graven is for the

1358
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:29,820
mark they put out like a self-published

1359
01:02:34,460 --> 01:02:32,010
fanzine called quest you know they

1360
01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:34,470
literally fell just op-ed from gray I

1361
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:37,500
had some copies exchange applications

1362
01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:39,390
then yeah yeah and he's like a typical

1363
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:40,860
thing you know where they just hand

1364
01:02:45,590 --> 01:02:43,590
designed the cover and stapled it and

1365
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:45,600
photocopied it and it was that was for

1366
01:02:49,550 --> 01:02:47,370
the magazine that I did the first thing

1367
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:49,560
for and I'm pretty sure it was a book

1368
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,470
review but i can remember which one are

1369
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:54,000
you saying about what was the

1370
01:02:57,350 --> 01:02:55,740
inspiration did you say yeah ya know

1371
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:57,360
when you get yeah what do you work where

1372
01:03:02,120 --> 01:02:59,010
do you get your information to write the

1373
01:03:03,410 --> 01:03:02,130
book sorry well you're oh yes you want

1374
01:03:05,060 --> 01:03:03,420
you to give out your suppose you give

1375
01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:05,070
your sources live on air no I'm not

1376
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:07,260
expect like you know like like you know

1377
01:03:11,780 --> 01:03:09,090
like the different topics that you that

1378
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,790
you write about is it something that

1379
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:13,680
you're interested the tie were two

1380
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:15,480
people bring things to you and then you

1381
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,090
investigate it well you attach makes for

1382
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:20,160
a combination of things like that we're

1383
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:22,470
certainly today when you know I've done

1384
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:25,140
a lot of books if you write books people

1385
01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:27,210
come to you now they contact you through

1386
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:29,460
your blog or Facebook or you know

1387
01:03:32,269 --> 01:03:30,900
they'll send a letter to the publisher

1388
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:32,279
that kind of meal before wording on that

1389
01:03:36,529 --> 01:03:34,260
sort of thing so a lot of the stuff i

1390
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,539
investigate today is based on leads from

1391
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:38,880
people who speak to me now and I'm

1392
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,890
always happy to chat with people and you

1393
01:03:45,019 --> 01:03:43,200
know sort of it also to as you know if

1394
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:45,029
you've been in the field for a lot of

1395
01:03:49,009 --> 01:03:47,160
you know a long time you you know the

1396
01:03:51,049 --> 01:03:49,019
right person to contact about a

1397
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,059
particular subject just like just like

1398
01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:53,039
doing the show I mean you know it's like

1399
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:55,950
you want to put together a roundtable on

1400
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,500
the you know charles fort or something

1401
01:04:03,799 --> 01:04:00,480
well you know who to call if you've been

1402
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:03,809
doing this for X number of years it just

1403
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:05,700
kind of come naturally now some people

1404
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:07,410
will hang up on you when you call but

1405
01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:09,420
yeah you let it that only happens rarely

1406
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:13,140
that not all that much Sun which which

1407
01:04:17,779 --> 01:04:15,210
which which at which investigation up to

1408
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:17,789
now is the one that you think you know

1409
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,319
is the most remarkable um well I think

1410
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:24,059
one of the things i right about a lot of

1411
01:04:28,220 --> 01:04:25,740
actually going new book coming out on

1412
01:04:29,779 --> 01:04:28,230
the subject fishing Oregon to is the man

1413
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:29,789
in black mystery that's one that sort of

1414
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:33,839
really fascinates me because there are

1415
01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:35,369
different aspects to it you know a lot

1416
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,990
of people today their views on the men

1417
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:38,460
in black of sort of influenced by the

1418
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:40,500
movies with Tommy Lee Jones and Will

1419
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,380
Smith but if you go back and read the

1420
01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:45,299
original story some Albert bender right

1421
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:47,430
through junk healing the sick stories

1422
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:49,650
Mothman and everything else there

1423
01:04:54,529 --> 01:04:52,049
they're clearly not government agents

1424
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:54,539
they're sort of more I never hesitate to

1425
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:56,130
say they're alien the one almost like

1426
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:00,660
paranormal a cult based in many cases he

1427
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:03,359
had a very skinny pale that kind of look

1428
01:05:11,089 --> 01:05:06,720
like you know ghouls or something like

1429
01:05:13,009 --> 01:05:11,099
that laughs get zombies well thats

1430
01:05:15,579 --> 01:05:13,019
married yeah that's kind of what i

1431
01:05:17,569 --> 01:05:15,589
concluded was that yeah these are mine

1432
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:17,579
humans that are being mind controlled

1433
01:05:25,099 --> 01:05:22,170
are manipulated by outside forces or

1434
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:25,109
entities or shapeshifters or demons or

1435
01:05:29,660 --> 01:05:28,049
whatever these things are but yeah I

1436
01:05:33,259 --> 01:05:29,670
mean there's all sorts of theories you

1437
01:05:35,509 --> 01:05:33,269
know aliens a cold mind control time

1438
01:05:37,279 --> 01:05:35,519
travelers and I think because there's so

1439
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:37,289
many different theories and you know

1440
01:05:40,580 --> 01:05:38,670
fascinating cases

1441
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:40,590
that's one of the things that sort of

1442
01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:43,140
really interests me and I think it's

1443
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:45,600
always important to you know be

1444
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:46,950
enthusiastic about what you're writing

1445
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:50,310
about so that's one of the things often

1446
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:52,740
again like having done a couple of books

1447
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:54,840
on the menu black people can't happen

1448
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:57,420
with a lot of cases and but the other

1449
01:06:03,350 --> 01:05:59,730
thing I used to do I don't do so much

1450
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:03,360
today I wrote a number of books of the

1451
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:05,490
late 90s through the meat to thousands

1452
01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:08,010
on government files on various subjects

1453
01:06:12,980 --> 01:06:10,140
and that you see vol like going to the

1454
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:12,990
National Archives in London and in the

1455
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:15,240
United States and using the Freedom of

1456
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:17,370
Information Act and so that that was

1457
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:19,290
another way of doing it was sort of you

1458
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:21,660
know using declassified government files

1459
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:26,460
economy huge element in black um you

1460
01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:27,930
know there actually are a few files on

1461
01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:31,140
the man in black it's ironic but I mean

1462
01:06:35,030 --> 01:06:33,900
cable know this it's ironic that you

1463
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,040
know everybody thinks that many black

1464
01:06:40,460 --> 01:06:37,440
from the government but they're actually

1465
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,470
a couple of Air Force and FBI documents

1466
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,000
from the sixties where the Air Force are

1467
01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:43,920
actually saying you know we've heard

1468
01:06:46,940 --> 01:06:45,300
about these reports of the men in black

1469
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,950
if you see them all you know of anybody

1470
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:49,440
who's had a report get the report

1471
01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:51,000
quickly so we can track these guys down

1472
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,880
you know so in other words every 16 the

1473
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:55,680
air force behind the government beyond

1474
01:06:59,570 --> 01:06:57,720
the men in black and then behind the

1475
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:59,580
scenes the Air Force is same well who

1476
01:07:05,290 --> 01:07:01,740
the hell are the man in black yeah yeah

1477
01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:05,300
well in a certain cases they were using

1478
01:07:12,110 --> 01:07:08,270
apparently fake government

1479
01:07:16,010 --> 01:07:12,120
identification and then also to some

1480
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:16,020
people misconstrue construed who some of

1481
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:19,260
these investigators were like we used to

1482
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:20,520
have nightcap the National

1483
01:07:25,490 --> 01:07:23,400
investigations Committee on aerial

1484
01:07:27,350 --> 01:07:25,500
phenomena and they would go and talk to

1485
01:07:29,570 --> 01:07:27,360
UFO witness and some of their

1486
01:07:32,540 --> 01:07:29,580
investigators were a little bit pushy

1487
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:32,550
and they'd flash their you know their

1488
01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:34,530
their membership card or something that

1489
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,600
they paid fifteen dollars a year for and

1490
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:39,240
so people thought well you know this is

1491
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:41,250
an official representative of the

1492
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:43,020
government and of course they were not

1493
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:45,030
an official representative of any

1494
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:47,850
government the same to say the least

1495
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:50,640
they were a representative of anything

1496
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:52,650
perhaps the major Donald

1497
01:07:57,339 --> 01:07:55,260
keauhou was the head of the group and a

1498
01:08:00,799 --> 01:07:57,349
best-selling book author of that

1499
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,809
particular period now you wrote a book

1500
01:08:06,740 --> 01:08:03,200
recently with brad steiger on zombies

1501
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:06,750
mmm well yeah that's Betsy with the A to

1502
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:09,660
Z 1 and baby what it is we sort of split

1503
01:08:16,780 --> 01:08:13,740
it sort of i did about 75% branded about

1504
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:16,790
25 and we combined all our stuff and I

1505
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:19,920
sort of did more of the up-to-date

1506
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:23,219
zombie stuff and you know stood where

1507
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,020
zombies appearing novels and movies and

1508
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,020
TV but where Brad stuff really scored he

1509
01:08:33,559 --> 01:08:30,000
was very extremely sort of well versed

1510
01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:33,569
in like a zombie voodoo stuff and you

1511
01:08:39,499 --> 01:08:36,870
know the earlier Laura that thought of

1512
01:08:41,570 --> 01:08:39,509
really you know that was the one part

1513
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:41,580
that I wasn't that familiar with so it

1514
01:08:47,149 --> 01:08:43,830
was called it you know we danced on

1515
01:08:48,979 --> 01:08:47,159
board for that but I mean people have

1516
01:08:51,380 --> 01:08:48,989
enjoyed the book because as I said it

1517
01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:51,390
you know it doesn't just talk about like

1518
01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:53,400
a walking dead but it's you know it

1519
01:08:57,979 --> 01:08:56,759
covers the idea of you know what what

1520
01:09:00,380 --> 01:08:57,989
death actually is you know you've got

1521
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:00,390
like clinical death and brain death and

1522
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,790
you know when doctors remove organs you

1523
01:09:05,959 --> 01:09:04,080
know there could be brain dead but what

1524
01:09:08,689 --> 01:09:05,969
does that mean you know so there's like

1525
01:09:12,410 --> 01:09:08,699
entries on all different aspects of

1526
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:12,420
anything to do sort of with with zombies

1527
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:14,850
and you know people like in the 19th

1528
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:17,940
19th century trying to reanimate corpses

1529
01:09:22,689 --> 01:09:21,210
and that kind of thing and sucking you

1530
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:22,699
where you really believe that they're

1531
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:25,049
zombies do you think do they do they

1532
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:28,650
really exist well I mean certainly if

1533
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:32,370
you look at for example at Ward Davis's

1534
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:34,409
book for serpent and the rainbow oh yes

1535
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,170
I met the author yeah well that's a very

1536
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:39,600
good book and it and he deals with you

1537
01:09:44,780 --> 01:09:41,310
know the whole idea of sort of mind

1538
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:44,790
control in people but using sort of

1539
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,400
various substances that will affect the

1540
01:09:52,459 --> 01:09:49,279
human mind and make per person

1541
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:52,469
susceptible to control now that in

1542
01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:54,449
essence is the image of the old-school

1543
01:09:59,060 --> 01:09:56,100
zombie but of course everybody think you

1544
01:10:01,939 --> 01:09:59,070
think you know just people today could

1545
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:01,949
zombies actually occur they what you

1546
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:04,170
they're actually asking is are the dead

1547
01:10:08,690 --> 01:10:06,390
can arise up an attack the living

1548
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:08,700
and if you ask me honestly I'd no I

1549
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:10,710
don't think they are you know I don't

1550
01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:12,270
think it's possible that people are

1551
01:10:16,970 --> 01:10:14,940
going to die and then rise up and attack

1552
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:16,980
people and eat them you know the Walking

1553
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:18,750
Dead's call and they'd make it look

1554
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:20,730
really realistic but that's not going to

1555
01:10:25,340 --> 01:10:23,490
happen what about the zombies that

1556
01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:25,350
bothers me even I mean it's not even

1557
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:26,670
about the fact that they were already

1558
01:10:32,210 --> 01:10:29,340
dead it's more about the fact that it's

1559
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,220
a group of people that have a one-track

1560
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:34,080
mind on eating you you know what I mean

1561
01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:35,880
that's really the part you know whether

1562
01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:37,800
a virus you should watch warm Bob you

1563
01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:38,820
know what I mean whether they've just

1564
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:41,550
gone insane crazy people scare me really

1565
01:10:47,540 --> 01:10:45,090
crazy for you well Gary no I don't think

1566
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:47,550
I don't want to be like a zombie

1567
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:49,380
apocalypse liking for example the

1568
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:51,690
walking dead or World War Z what could

1569
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:53,940
happen not the case that if you had

1570
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:57,090
something like a new virus like for

1571
01:11:02,990 --> 01:10:59,640
example the closest thing in humans to

1572
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:03,000
the zombie virus is the rabies virus now

1573
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:05,310
you know when people get rabies when

1574
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:06,930
during the latter stages I mean they

1575
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:09,360
have to be restrained not just for their

1576
01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:12,330
own safety but for everybody else's

1577
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:14,550
safety you know they go literally insane

1578
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:17,010
and they become extremely violent and

1579
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:20,730
erratic and now there's the rabies virus

1580
01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:23,430
ironically actually can take weeks for

1581
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:25,140
it to take effect before the symptoms

1582
01:11:29,150 --> 01:11:26,670
start to show you know you get bitten by

1583
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:29,160
a rabid dog and you think you got over

1584
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:31,290
it but the symptoms start to manifest

1585
01:11:36,170 --> 01:11:34,050
weeks later now that's obviously the

1586
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,180
opposite in the most of the TV shows

1587
01:11:39,860 --> 01:11:37,920
where sometimes you know they start like

1588
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:39,870
in World War Z they change after like 10

1589
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:42,450
seconds then he knows there's no virus

1590
01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:45,450
that works that quick but if there was

1591
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:48,780
like some sort of mutated form of rabies

1592
01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:51,650
or something created in a lab where

1593
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,030
rabies can be sort of more synthesized

1594
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:56,280
you could have something where and

1595
01:12:00,320 --> 01:11:58,410
particularly if it was one thing is that

1596
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:00,330
you know the it's been or it could be

1597
01:12:04,490 --> 01:12:02,850
mixed with the measles virus which could

1598
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:04,500
be a bore oh you know I hate when people

1599
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:07,320
get formulas for mass destruction on the

1600
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:12,000
air you were saying though you're saying

1601
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:13,560
Nick I'm taking notes that would just

1602
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:15,540
kill everyone it's like okay thanks I'm

1603
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:17,730
taking notes go ahead continue well I

1604
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:18,370
mean

1605
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:20,050
theory is that you know you could take

1606
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:22,300
something like the rabies virus which

1607
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:25,840
has to be spread by you know by tour by

1608
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:28,750
saliva and combine it with another virus

1609
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:31,840
that is airborne and essentially you

1610
01:12:38,010 --> 01:12:33,640
could have unless somebody's you know

1611
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:38,020
not he has immunity you or you had the

1612
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:40,030
you know inoculation you had the you

1613
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:42,610
know the killer then a lot of people

1614
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:44,890
millions could potentially be exposed to

1615
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,650
something a form of rabies where they

1616
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,360
would become extremely violent in

1617
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:51,040
Atlantic they wouldn't be the dead

1618
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:53,080
rising up attacking the living and it

1619
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:55,090
certainly wouldn't give them a sudden

1620
01:12:59,160 --> 01:12:57,610
appetite to keep eating people but if

1621
01:13:02,370 --> 01:12:59,170
you imagine millions of people affected

1622
01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:02,380
by rabies roaming around yeah that's

1623
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:04,870
actually not far off you know something

1624
01:13:09,450 --> 01:13:07,570
like a zombie apocalypse well now the

1625
01:13:12,230 --> 01:13:09,460
government have some scenario or

1626
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:12,240
something to do with zombies recently I

1627
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:15,330
will it's funny you mention that because

1628
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:18,130
as bizarre as it sounds a lot of

1629
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:20,290
government agencies have actually put on

1630
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:22,270
their websites information perhaps a

1631
01:13:27,780 --> 01:13:25,810
fighter a zombie apocalypse this is

1632
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:27,790
giving writer like zombie compare their

1633
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:29,860
conspiracy theories for example the

1634
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,310
Centers for Disease Control the CDC in

1635
01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:34,960
Atlanta Georgia which is actually

1636
01:13:40,350 --> 01:13:37,180
featured in The Walking Dead your plate

1637
01:13:42,930 --> 01:13:40,360
got blown up in the series but the CDC

1638
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:42,940
actually has an entire section at its

1639
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:46,390
website all about how to survive a

1640
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:48,130
zombie apocalypse and it talks about if

1641
01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:51,130
it ever happens how you know they're

1642
01:13:57,170 --> 01:13:53,740
being emergency management laws to round

1643
01:14:00,270 --> 01:13:57,180
people up and isolate the infected from

1644
01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:00,280
you know the uninfected and that kind of

1645
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:01,750
thing and it's you know it's not done

1646
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:04,570
from a spoof perspective and it was

1647
01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:07,990
shared with for example FEMA with FEMA

1648
01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:11,140
actually linked to the CDA's article and

1649
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:14,440
you know a number of agencies have put

1650
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:17,200
these artists on their website and you

1651
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:19,810
know people of legitimately ask well did

1652
01:14:25,980 --> 01:14:22,890
I know how did I know something we don't

1653
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:25,990
well that's that's that's I don't know

1654
01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:27,490
you never know about to what the

1655
01:14:31,299 --> 01:14:29,350
government is getting money today what

1656
01:14:32,799 --> 01:14:31,309
the government is spending money and

1657
01:14:34,959 --> 01:14:32,809
research but they won't in they won't

1658
01:14:36,819 --> 01:14:34,969
investigate UFOs but they have a

1659
01:14:38,409 --> 01:14:36,829
scenario about zombies while they are

1660
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:38,419
you know they do have a lot of the phone

1661
01:14:42,459 --> 01:14:40,550
so they really do investigate UFOs is

1662
01:14:43,569 --> 01:14:42,469
just gonna say it out loud perhaps

1663
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:43,579
that's how you that's why you keep the

1664
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:47,449
secret what else speaking of UFOs NICU

1665
01:14:51,719 --> 01:14:49,369
you what do you what do you make out of

1666
01:14:56,759 --> 01:14:51,729
this I mean I know you wrote a book

1667
01:14:59,399 --> 01:14:56,769
about some individuals in the government

1668
01:15:04,989 --> 01:14:59,409
the different branches of the government

1669
01:15:06,699 --> 01:15:04,999
being convinced that UFOs are demonic in

1670
01:15:10,389 --> 01:15:06,709
nature which seems to come up almost

1671
01:15:12,669 --> 01:15:10,399
every every show that we do somebody on

1672
01:15:15,819 --> 01:15:12,679
the panel or one of the guests seems to

1673
01:15:18,989 --> 01:15:15,829
think that this is a possible scenario

1674
01:15:22,049 --> 01:15:18,999
do you take that with a grain of salt

1675
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:22,059
Peter or do you think that there's a

1676
01:15:27,099 --> 01:15:24,050
sulfur or do you think that there's

1677
01:15:28,599 --> 01:15:27,109
something good into that well I don't

1678
01:15:30,639 --> 01:15:28,609
think there's something to it but sort

1679
01:15:32,949 --> 01:15:30,649
of typical image that most people have a

1680
01:15:34,809 --> 01:15:32,959
you know most people think of demons you

1681
01:15:36,759 --> 01:15:34,819
know they think like four tails horns

1682
01:15:38,529 --> 01:15:36,769
and fiery pits and all that kind of

1683
01:15:40,659 --> 01:15:38,539
thing that's that's that's a belief

1684
01:15:44,349 --> 01:15:40,669
system that has been instilled through

1685
01:15:46,540 --> 01:15:44,359
imagery and indoctrination but I guess

1686
01:15:48,759 --> 01:15:46,550
like a lot of people you know I when I

1687
01:15:50,949 --> 01:15:48,769
was a kid the whole thing with the UFO

1688
01:15:52,509 --> 01:15:50,959
subject was there not some old alien

1689
01:15:55,469 --> 01:15:52,519
spacecraft you know aliens are coming

1690
01:15:58,059 --> 01:15:55,479
here for whatever reason blah blah blah

1691
01:16:00,719 --> 01:15:58,069
but then as I got older I began to

1692
01:16:03,369 --> 01:16:00,729
realize like with the many black cases

1693
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:03,379
there's like this crossover with the

1694
01:16:06,939 --> 01:16:05,209
world of the paranormal and the occult

1695
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:06,949
and it's quite a lot in Point Pleasant

1696
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:09,530
West Virginia the men in black in UFOs

1697
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:12,050
in Point Pleasant be all said Mothman

1698
01:16:18,849 --> 01:16:16,159
you know this weird winged creature you

1699
01:16:20,979 --> 01:16:18,859
find a lot of parallels between today's

1700
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:20,989
alien abduction stories and things like

1701
01:16:27,009 --> 01:16:24,800
sleep paralysis and also you know fairy

1702
01:16:29,139 --> 01:16:27,019
encounters as this strange sounds in

1703
01:16:31,209 --> 01:16:29,149
England in the middle age is where the

1704
01:16:34,659 --> 01:16:31,219
diminutive fairies would steal children

1705
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:34,669
and they were then transferred all sand

1706
01:16:40,779 --> 01:16:37,249
you know they have missing time and it's

1707
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:40,789
a like a old equivalent if you like of

1708
01:16:45,130 --> 01:16:43,010
today's abduction stories and I think to

1709
01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:45,140
my view is that there's no doubt

1710
01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:48,350
there's a genuine real UFO phenomenon

1711
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:52,040
but I guess certainly on the last 15 20

1712
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:53,870
years I've become more convinced that it

1713
01:16:59,320 --> 01:16:56,510
may not be extraterrestrial that could

1714
01:17:01,390 --> 01:16:59,330
be more what is able to recall in two

1715
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:01,400
dimensional something that coexist with

1716
01:17:07,090 --> 01:17:04,730
us and that crosses various aspects of

1717
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:07,100
the paranormal in ways we don't

1718
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:10,880
understand you know it sort of seems to

1719
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:13,030
use technology but it also seems

1720
01:17:18,010 --> 01:17:16,250
converse and we'd like ancient rituals

1721
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:18,020
and their colds and things like that and

1722
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:20,090
you have these crossovers like for

1723
01:17:26,050 --> 01:17:23,570
example Jack Parsons the famous rocket

1724
01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:26,060
scientists in the forties he actually

1725
01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:27,950
tried claim to have like opened a

1726
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,470
doorway or a portal to allow you if I

1727
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:32,480
was to come through but doing it by

1728
01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:36,050
using ancient rituals so although I

1729
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:38,750
don't think the phenomenon is literal

1730
01:17:44,140 --> 01:17:41,390
demons as people understand it I do

1731
01:17:45,610 --> 01:17:44,150
think there's like a paranormal aspect

1732
01:17:49,090 --> 01:17:45,620
to the subject and some of these

1733
01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:49,100
entities whatever they are are sort of

1734
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:51,820
negative and hostile to the human race

1735
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:54,410
but I don't think they're literally

1736
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:57,170
coming from like a fiery hell I think it

1737
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:58,970
could be something like coexists with us

1738
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:02,000
but essentially just doesn't like us and

1739
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:05,840
manipulators it's going to do the

1740
01:18:11,710 --> 01:18:09,470
serpent people well you know I think all

1741
01:18:16,150 --> 01:18:11,720
this kind of stuff sort of ties in I

1742
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,160
mean you know as Jim mentioned i mean

1743
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:17,840
this this whole issue of people being

1744
01:18:22,660 --> 01:18:20,810
mind-controlled by the man in black or

1745
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:22,670
as the man in black i should say you

1746
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:25,130
know there are many black cases I've got

1747
01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:27,800
a record where people have been visited

1748
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:29,150
by the man in black and then they've

1749
01:18:34,900 --> 01:18:31,490
experienced violent poltergeist activity

1750
01:18:37,660 --> 01:18:34,910
in the harm I've got people have been

1751
01:18:40,330 --> 01:18:37,670
visited by were clearly men in black but

1752
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:40,340
they've never a UFO encounter but the am

1753
01:18:46,090 --> 01:18:43,760
I being sighting or the MIB visits began

1754
01:18:48,340 --> 01:18:46,100
when the people started using Ouija

1755
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:48,350
boards just doubling and plane and then

1756
01:18:52,990 --> 01:18:49,790
suddenly the man in black turned up so

1757
01:18:55,630 --> 01:18:53,000
in other words you do find examples like

1758
01:18:58,900 --> 01:18:55,640
this where in different aspects of the

1759
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,910
UFO phenomenon you suddenly find these

1760
01:19:04,510 --> 01:19:01,280
but the lines are blurred between nuts

1761
01:19:06,610 --> 01:19:04,520
and bolts UFOs and and something else

1762
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:06,620
you know and I don't pretend to

1763
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:10,850
understand how or why but I mean as

1764
01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:12,890
table tell you you know as well that you

1765
01:19:18,730 --> 01:19:15,080
can find a lot of parallels between the

1766
01:19:21,580 --> 01:19:18,740
UFO subject and ancient mythology and

1767
01:19:24,610 --> 01:19:21,590
even you know certainly there be a cult

1768
01:19:27,310 --> 01:19:24,620
and religion you know it keeps going

1769
01:19:29,710 --> 01:19:27,320
back at this lil yeah yeah yeah and i

1770
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:29,720
think i think what when it comes down to

1771
01:19:34,930 --> 01:19:33,290
is that everybody has belief systems you

1772
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:34,940
know i always try and stay away from

1773
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:37,490
belief systems because you mind is sort

1774
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:40,310
of cold i I just I and buy it because

1775
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,590
you believe in it so I try and just work

1776
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:44,960
on evidence but I think we know we're

1777
01:19:49,660 --> 01:19:47,210
all human we all do have belief systems

1778
01:19:52,420 --> 01:19:49,670
and I think what's happened is that you

1779
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:52,430
know the image of I don't like a demon

1780
01:19:57,790 --> 01:19:54,770
for one person is like I said like a

1781
01:20:00,910 --> 01:19:57,800
fork-tailed thing with horns that lives

1782
01:20:03,190 --> 01:20:00,920
in hell do you know does the work of the

1783
01:20:05,530 --> 01:20:03,200
devil for somebody else a demon may

1784
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:05,540
actually be sort of how the ancients

1785
01:20:09,580 --> 01:20:07,970
describe something hostile that sort of

1786
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:09,590
coexisted with us in some other

1787
01:20:14,350 --> 01:20:11,540
dimension you know you could actually

1788
01:20:16,570 --> 01:20:14,360
make a good case that hell is like

1789
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:16,580
another realm of existence another

1790
01:20:23,740 --> 01:20:20,210
dimension other people think that things

1791
01:20:27,070 --> 01:20:23,750
like the Djinn but you know that rather

1792
01:20:29,050 --> 01:20:27,080
than being just some sort of folkloric

1793
01:20:32,770 --> 01:20:29,060
thing that they could be sort of like an

1794
01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:32,780
interdimensional entity and you know

1795
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:34,550
it's kind of like the whole ancient

1796
01:20:41,020 --> 01:20:38,480
aliens thing you know how many cases

1797
01:20:45,060 --> 01:20:41,030
that sound biblical and religious you

1798
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:45,070
could reinterpret from a UFO perspective

1799
01:20:51,130 --> 01:20:48,050
and of course the UFO people say well

1800
01:20:53,980 --> 01:20:51,140
yeah you know something like Ezekiel's

1801
01:20:56,350 --> 01:20:53,990
wheel was a UFO and then a Christian

1802
01:20:58,150 --> 01:20:56,360
would say that's blasphemous you know of

1803
01:21:01,780 --> 01:20:58,160
course it's not a UFO that was a

1804
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:01,790
religious event and so you know that

1805
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,830
that's what belief does and I mean that

1806
01:21:07,390 --> 01:21:05,360
that's why I have so many people what

1807
01:21:09,730 --> 01:21:07,400
people got a war you know because they

1808
01:21:11,470 --> 01:21:09,740
just argue over somebody's each of his

1809
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:11,480
belief systems and before you know you

1810
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:12,580
know the guns are come

1811
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:16,090
yeah for sure now you did it you did

1812
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:17,890
another book a couple of years ago is

1813
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:20,650
close encounters of the fatal kind now

1814
01:21:27,330 --> 01:21:24,490
yeah ok now that would seem like I guess

1815
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:27,340
a airplane pilots Close Encounters of

1816
01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:29,860
things along that line er well I'm so

1817
01:21:33,660 --> 01:21:31,300
some of them yeah I mean that book

1818
01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:33,670
actually came out last year and I've

1819
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:35,500
always been sort of interested in these

1820
01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:38,050
claims and stories of you know people

1821
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:39,220
who've died under mysterious

1822
01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:42,400
circumstances in the UFO field I was

1823
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:43,870
quite surprised you know that nobody

1824
01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:45,610
ever really written a full-length book

1825
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:48,670
on all the cases and you know there's a

1826
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,890
lot of them and of course you know you

1827
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,480
have to be sort of balance because at

1828
01:21:57,060 --> 01:21:54,400
the end of that would all human and you

1829
01:21:59,730 --> 01:21:57,070
know people I've car accidents people

1830
01:22:01,440 --> 01:21:59,740
have heart attacks in the twenties even

1831
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:01,450
sometimes or somebody else commit

1832
01:22:06,210 --> 01:22:03,850
suicide you know just because you're

1833
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:06,220
ufologist doesn't mean he died

1834
01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:09,730
mysteriously you know they have to be

1835
01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:12,160
careful as to balance out you know which

1836
01:22:17,250 --> 01:22:13,780
cases are evidence of something

1837
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:17,260
mysterious but what case what is its

1838
01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:21,850
would you say the most uh well yeah i

1839
01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:23,950
mean what i try to do with the book was

1840
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,660
not just go i'll roll ground i mean the

1841
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:27,520
worst certain cases i had to include

1842
01:22:32,820 --> 01:22:29,830
because they're essential like for

1843
01:22:34,890 --> 01:22:32,830
example james forrestal the Secretary of

1844
01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:34,900
Defense who jumped or was pushed out of

1845
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:37,750
the window at the Bethesda Naval

1846
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:40,450
Hospital but all and also like morris

1847
01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:44,050
jessup and if you know I I have to

1848
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:46,600
correct you on morris jessup there's

1849
01:22:53,130 --> 01:22:48,930
something that most people don't realize

1850
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,140
a week before morris jessup committed

1851
01:22:58,140 --> 01:22:55,840
suicide and most people thank you that

1852
01:23:01,710 --> 01:22:58,150
it was under mysterious circumstances he

1853
01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:01,720
actually wrote a letter to Long John

1854
01:23:05,610 --> 01:23:03,940
Neville the original radio talk show

1855
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:05,620
host who delved into the paranormal

1856
01:23:12,630 --> 01:23:07,930
saying that he was going to take his own

1857
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:12,640
life uh I know Jim Mosley wrote about it

1858
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:14,710
I mean you know it's kind of common

1859
01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:16,900
knowledge but most people in the field

1860
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:18,760
just I wouldn't say they overlook it but

1861
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:21,820
they're just not aware of this um you

1862
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:23,410
know I fairly was something that was

1863
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:25,810
plan yes yes yeah i mean i actually do

1864
01:23:28,110 --> 01:23:26,230
men

1865
01:23:30,630 --> 01:23:28,120
this the fact that you know his mind was

1866
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:30,640
sort of in this sort of state of turmoil

1867
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:32,410
leading up to his death but there are

1868
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:35,770
some weird and interesting things when I

1869
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:38,410
was doing the research for the book or

1870
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:42,880
the chapter should say on Jessup I found

1871
01:23:47,310 --> 01:23:44,710
that you know for example not before

1872
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:47,320
long before he died he had like a really

1873
01:23:53,010 --> 01:23:50,860
weird car accident where he suddenly

1874
01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:53,020
found himself you know bae sit at the

1875
01:23:57,630 --> 01:23:55,540
edge of the road in a ditch and he

1876
01:23:59,400 --> 01:23:57,640
actually said that he felt as if he

1877
01:24:01,710 --> 01:23:59,410
being something had compelled him to

1878
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:01,720
sort of literally drive himself off the

1879
01:24:06,780 --> 01:24:04,450
road and he also talked about getting

1880
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:06,790
weird hang-up phone calls and people

1881
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:10,540
following him and so I sort of speculate

1882
01:24:16,290 --> 01:24:13,210
that yes he really did kill himself but

1883
01:24:17,790 --> 01:24:16,300
what if he was sort of driven to it was

1884
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:17,800
some sort of weird mind control thing

1885
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:20,530
and now something like my father no

1886
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:22,930
words and the eighties yeah something

1887
01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:24,550
like so that's too extreme but you know

1888
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:26,500
when you actually find that he said he

1889
01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:28,570
had this car accidents and he said he

1890
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:30,340
couldn't understand how it happened he

1891
01:24:35,460 --> 01:24:32,560
just sort of you leech at all but like

1892
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:35,470
fight to not drive off the edge of the

1893
01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:39,670
road you know so for things like that do

1894
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:42,190
make me wonder if some of these case son

1895
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:44,710
they are a genuine suicide but it has

1896
01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:46,900
something had an outside assigned to

1897
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:51,100
propel well you take your life yeah but

1898
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:53,050
but there's other ones I mean I like

1899
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:54,970
I've got a chapter in the book on the

1900
01:24:59,760 --> 01:24:56,650
Kennedy assassination there's a lot of

1901
01:25:02,100 --> 01:24:59,770
weird tions between people in the UFO

1902
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:02,110
subject and people in the Kennedy

1903
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:04,450
assassination like guy banister for

1904
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:05,710
example it was one of the people

1905
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:08,650
allegedly linked with the assassination

1906
01:25:13,890 --> 01:25:12,370
former FBI agents he was actually one of

1907
01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:13,900
the earliest people to get heavily

1908
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:16,739
involved in the UFO subject in 47

1909
01:25:22,740 --> 01:25:20,100
investigating UFOs for junior Gover and

1910
01:25:25,740 --> 01:25:22,750
you know of course we've got Fred

1911
01:25:29,210 --> 01:25:25,750
christman involved in the notorious

1912
01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:29,220
Maury island case in 47 of an alleged

1913
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:31,960
exploding flying saucer over Washington

1914
01:25:37,260 --> 01:25:34,510
State who then pops up also in the

1915
01:25:39,330 --> 01:25:37,270
Kennedy assassination with people

1916
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:39,340
suspected he was one of the gunmen

1917
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:43,570
also it's a way of things now did you

1918
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:45,400
talk at all though about some of these

1919
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:49,630
cases where the air player aircraft

1920
01:25:54,510 --> 01:25:52,360
actually had Close Encounters and maybe

1921
01:25:58,379 --> 01:25:54,520
we're even shot at or we shot at the

1922
01:26:00,750 --> 01:25:58,389
UFOs yeah I mean obviously I included

1923
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:00,760
man tell but and also like the Frederick

1924
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:04,090
valenta case but you know there are

1925
01:26:07,379 --> 01:26:05,440
other ones as well I mean you made a

1926
01:26:09,689 --> 01:26:07,389
good point about you know where we've

1927
01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:09,699
tried to blast these things out at the

1928
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,060
sky and he actually hasn't ended up

1929
01:26:16,169 --> 01:26:14,800
fatally for the pilot but what has

1930
01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:16,179
happened is you know they've just found

1931
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:19,270
their weapon systems disabled so as I

1932
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:22,020
point out in some cases it seems that

1933
01:26:27,419 --> 01:26:24,610
you know it's not always the case that

1934
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:27,429
it's sort of overtly hostile it's more

1935
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:30,010
of a warning but the book is sort of

1936
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:32,730
roughly fifty percent split between

1937
01:26:37,859 --> 01:26:35,170
mysterious deaths at the hands of the

1938
01:26:39,810 --> 01:26:37,869
UFO phenomenon itself and the rest are

1939
01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:39,820
sort of at the hands of you know we

1940
01:26:43,649 --> 01:26:42,040
don't really know who but you know where

1941
01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:43,659
the person's died under mysterious

1942
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:45,940
circumstances or whatever a weird car

1943
01:26:51,770 --> 01:26:48,310
accidents where suggest more something

1944
01:26:55,399 --> 01:26:51,780
like you know a man in black type

1945
01:26:58,050 --> 01:26:55,409
situation or some sort of shadow

1946
01:27:00,810 --> 01:26:58,060
government or shadow organization being

1947
01:27:04,410 --> 01:27:00,820
behind it so I I mean do you think that

1948
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:04,420
some of these UFOs are are hostile well

1949
01:27:09,689 --> 01:27:07,170
I think they're hostile depending on the

1950
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:09,699
circumstances I mean it's kind of the

1951
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,159
same with you know gets in the field of

1952
01:27:15,959 --> 01:27:13,840
ufology to what we might call like a

1953
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:15,969
shadow agency i mean you know most

1954
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,780
people in ufology don't die mysteriously

1955
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:21,280
but the you know i think there's a

1956
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:23,650
substantial number of at least 30 or 40

1957
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:26,260
that that i actually could fall into

1958
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:28,690
that category now 40 or sell might not

1959
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:30,940
sound a lot out of you know all the

1960
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:32,409
thousands of people have been in ufology

1961
01:27:37,709 --> 01:27:34,770
over the years but so the trend i think

1962
01:27:39,810 --> 01:27:37,719
exists is that you know obviously it

1963
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:39,820
most people ufology don't get taken out

1964
01:27:45,209 --> 01:27:42,550
under sinister circumstances and I think

1965
01:27:46,979 --> 01:27:45,219
it's when when they do I think it's when

1966
01:27:49,919 --> 01:27:46,989
they've got a little bit too close to

1967
01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:49,929
something or somebody stare to plug Nick

1968
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,580
what's that what do you consider to be

1969
01:27:57,689 --> 01:27:53,760
the most sinister that you

1970
01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:57,699
and well I mean one of the most sinister

1971
01:28:04,879 --> 01:28:00,420
ones and it's a fascinating one as well

1972
01:28:07,649 --> 01:28:04,889
that occurred in the UK in the 1980s now

1973
01:28:10,290 --> 01:28:07,659
the backstory is that this is in the

1974
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:10,300
early eighties when Ronald Reagan was

1975
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:13,330
president he set up this strategic

1976
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:15,610
defense initiative Star Wars as it

1977
01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:18,010
became known to have like this orbiting

1978
01:28:23,850 --> 01:28:21,550
armada of laser weapons to deter the

1979
01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:23,860
Russians from launching a sneak nuclear

1980
01:28:28,649 --> 01:28:25,900
attack well a lot of the research that

1981
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:28,659
was actually contracted out to a British

1982
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,170
company called Marconi and now a lot of

1983
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,000
stories began to surface also in the

1984
01:28:39,390 --> 01:28:36,639
eighties about how Reagan started to

1985
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:39,400
elude about hostile aliens and how we'd

1986
01:28:42,689 --> 01:28:40,900
all need to sort of band together to

1987
01:28:45,060 --> 01:28:42,699
protect ourselves it would unite the

1988
01:28:47,609 --> 01:28:45,070
planet people wondered if he was trying

1989
01:28:49,530 --> 01:28:47,619
to tell us something and this coincided

1990
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:49,540
would be with the Star Wars SDI program

1991
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,210
people began to suggest that it was

1992
01:28:56,340 --> 01:28:54,400
actually not designed to just fight off

1993
01:28:59,820 --> 01:28:56,350
the Russians but potentially hostile

1994
01:29:03,510 --> 01:28:59,830
aliens well what happened was there as i

1995
01:29:05,850 --> 01:29:03,520
said the lot of the work was contracted

1996
01:29:11,570 --> 01:29:05,860
out to this british company Marconi now

1997
01:29:14,490 --> 01:29:11,580
between 1982 and 1991 no less than 31

1998
01:29:18,090 --> 01:29:14,500
Marconi Sciences computer programmers

1999
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:18,100
technicians killed themselves or died in

2000
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,960
a very weird circumstance you cost nine

2001
01:29:24,959 --> 01:29:22,239
months first nine years which is 31 of

2002
01:29:28,919 --> 01:29:24,969
them some of them literally sat in the

2003
01:29:31,169 --> 01:29:28,929
car and set themselves on fire other /

2004
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:31,179
the wrists others jumped off bridge is

2005
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:34,480
one in nine years yes 31 in nine years a

2006
01:29:40,379 --> 01:29:37,690
lot of people yeah and they all their

2007
01:29:42,060 --> 01:29:40,389
behavior they were prior to that being

2008
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:42,070
treated for anything strange almost like

2009
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,440
morris jessup where they just I've got

2010
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:47,199
you know so I'm did leave notes but

2011
01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:48,940
there was no reason why they you know

2012
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:51,790
that behavior suddenly changed there are

2013
01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:54,489
others who felt compelled to you know

2014
01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:56,380
they're driving down the equivalent of a

2015
01:30:01,800 --> 01:29:59,560
you know the highways over here and felt

2016
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:01,810
compelled to drive into the front of the

2017
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,300
oncoming traffic things like that

2018
01:30:10,660 --> 01:30:07,280
now the thing one of the theories is it

2019
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:10,670
granted a controversial one well if Star

2020
01:30:15,820 --> 01:30:13,520
Wars was designed to fend off

2021
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,830
extraterrestrials and he was being deep

2022
01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:17,120
part of it was being developed by

2023
01:30:21,250 --> 01:30:19,460
bismarck County scientists what if the

2024
01:30:23,980 --> 01:30:21,260
aliens themselves use some sort of mind

2025
01:30:26,830 --> 01:30:23,990
control to start to wipe out the

2026
01:30:28,630 --> 01:30:26,840
scientists one by one you know that that

2027
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:28,640
would be the ideal way to put the

2028
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,280
program on hold would be to literally

2029
01:30:35,890 --> 01:30:33,440
mind control them to kill themselves one

2030
01:30:37,780 --> 01:30:35,900
way or another but he permitted Google

2031
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:37,790
marconi scientists deaths you'll find

2032
01:30:43,090 --> 01:30:40,910
the story and he sort of fascinating and

2033
01:30:45,730 --> 01:30:43,100
weird story of all these guys who

2034
01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:45,740
literally just you know kill themselves

2035
01:30:51,610 --> 01:30:49,030
under the most bizarre circumstances I

2036
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:51,620
give you one classic example a talk

2037
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:55,040
about bizarre one guy killed himself

2038
01:31:00,190 --> 01:30:58,130
with carbon monoxide poison in his

2039
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:00,200
garage and what he did you know just

2040
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:02,330
open the garage door as he got home for

2041
01:31:07,390 --> 01:31:04,610
work close the door and kept the engine

2042
01:31:08,860 --> 01:31:07,400
running now loads of people have done

2043
01:31:11,050 --> 01:31:08,870
that over the years you say well what's

2044
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:11,060
strange about it or what he did some

2045
01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:13,010
weird reason he chose to get out of the

2046
01:31:17,230 --> 01:31:14,660
driver's seat which most people don't do

2047
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:17,240
he got out the driver's seat and and lay

2048
01:31:21,940 --> 01:31:19,280
on the floor and back to world over and

2049
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:21,950
so he could lie horizontal underneath

2050
01:31:26,620 --> 01:31:25,040
the car and so when the police are

2051
01:31:29,020 --> 01:31:26,630
called because somebody the next door

2052
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:29,030
neighbor could smell carbon monoxide he

2053
01:31:33,130 --> 01:31:30,770
was coming out from under the ghost or

2054
01:31:35,140 --> 01:31:33,140
the police finally got in it took him

2055
01:31:37,450 --> 01:31:35,150
like 10 minutes to find him because the

2056
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:37,460
car you know it was filled with carbon

2057
01:31:42,340 --> 01:31:40,880
monoxide there was nobody sitting inside

2058
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:42,350
the car and actually look took 10

2059
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:43,760
minutes to find out he was actually

2060
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:46,070
lying underneath the car you know he

2061
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,570
just managed to crawl under the space

2062
01:31:51,610 --> 01:31:50,000
below it you know yeah but something so

2063
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:51,620
bizarre why would you even think about

2064
01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:55,520
doing that in here oh you know it cut it

2065
01:32:01,120 --> 01:31:59,600
kind of brings me up to you know how

2066
01:32:02,830 --> 01:32:01,130
about deaths as far as people that

2067
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:02,840
worked at the NASA you know the Space

2068
01:32:07,810 --> 01:32:05,810
Administration because here we are you

2069
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:07,820
know like how many years decades later

2070
01:32:12,370 --> 01:32:10,610
and we've never been back to the moon I

2071
01:32:15,790 --> 01:32:12,380
mean is there a connection do you think

2072
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,800
that any of these people who work for

2073
01:32:19,209 --> 01:32:17,840
NASA who got us to the moon have you

2074
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:19,219
checked to see if there's any strange

2075
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:23,510
that's going on there um to be honest

2076
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:25,610
having sort of Doug too much into just a

2077
01:32:29,049 --> 01:32:27,440
sort of straightforward space program

2078
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:29,059
although you know that is a legitimate

2079
01:32:34,299 --> 01:32:31,760
area the main reason being i was just

2080
01:32:36,700 --> 01:32:34,309
sort of trying to focus on you know just

2081
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:36,710
mysterious jetseal of the space race or

2082
01:32:42,250 --> 01:32:38,210
whatever but just where there was a

2083
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:42,260
direct UFO angle but I mean what I would

2084
01:32:48,250 --> 01:32:44,719
say is that there are a lot of cases on

2085
01:32:49,870 --> 01:32:48,260
file we're with you know not the third

2086
01:32:52,350 --> 01:32:49,880
really looked into NASA science the West

2087
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:52,360
scientists have died under odd

2088
01:32:59,439 --> 01:32:56,210
circumstances I said we've Marconi you

2089
01:33:03,100 --> 01:32:59,449
know scientists computer operators and

2090
01:33:05,379 --> 01:33:03,110
technicians it was 31 now there are

2091
01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:05,389
other Marconi odd look at marconi deaths

2092
01:33:12,700 --> 01:33:10,190
in the early 70s as well and you know

2093
01:33:16,029 --> 01:33:12,710
you have these sort of cases like this

2094
01:33:17,799 --> 01:33:16,039
and for example in the 2000s there was a

2095
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:17,809
spate of deaths in the four in the

2096
01:33:22,509 --> 01:33:20,170
United States and the UK the field of

2097
01:33:25,450 --> 01:33:22,519
microbiology people who deal with like

2098
01:33:28,450 --> 01:33:25,460
biological warfare and viruses having

2099
01:33:31,839 --> 01:33:28,460
any Google microbiology scientists

2100
01:33:34,209 --> 01:33:31,849
deaths in the 2000s there's dozens

2101
01:33:39,310 --> 01:33:34,219
there's like 30 or 40 other and I'm not

2102
01:33:40,959 --> 01:33:39,320
exaggerating he dropping like flies and

2103
01:33:43,419 --> 01:33:40,969
one of the theories was that some of

2104
01:33:44,979 --> 01:33:43,429
them were working on like alien viruses

2105
01:33:49,299 --> 01:33:44,989
that kind of thing you know trying to

2106
01:33:51,370 --> 01:33:49,309
perfect a virus derived from alien DNA

2107
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:51,380
essentially know where we would feed the

2108
01:33:57,729 --> 01:33:53,570
targeted enemy would have no immunity to

2109
01:34:00,189 --> 01:33:57,739
an alien virus so who's behind this do

2110
01:34:03,489 --> 01:34:00,199
you think well I mean people often ask

2111
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:03,499
me that and where I differ into a low

2112
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:06,170
ufologist is that I actually don't think

2113
01:34:10,299 --> 01:34:08,449
you know people saw the CIA the FBI the

2114
01:34:12,279 --> 01:34:10,309
government they're all the bad guys I

2115
01:34:15,129 --> 01:34:12,289
actually don't think they are and i'll

2116
01:34:16,660 --> 01:34:15,139
explain what i mean by that i mean we

2117
01:34:18,879 --> 01:34:16,670
all know through the freedom information

2118
01:34:21,759 --> 01:34:18,889
up the CIA the FBI and everybody else

2119
01:34:24,459 --> 01:34:21,769
sort of looked into the UFO subject but

2120
01:34:26,620 --> 01:34:24,469
i don't think they were the people re

2121
01:34:30,009 --> 01:34:26,630
sitting on like there it is of what

2122
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:30,019
happened at Roswell or whatever what I

2123
01:34:35,650 --> 01:34:32,810
think is that the government the CIA

2124
01:34:36,670 --> 01:34:35,660
FBI are actually innocent of all this I

2125
01:34:38,230 --> 01:34:36,680
don't think the government's the bad

2126
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:38,240
guys what I think is that there's some

2127
01:34:44,140 --> 01:34:41,090
sort of like a shadow government but

2128
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:44,150
operates outside the regular confines of

2129
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:46,880
government and law but isn't even known

2130
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:50,210
to or overseen by Congress that gets its

2131
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:52,310
budget through like blackfoot budget

2132
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,320
funding things like that and I think

2133
01:34:59,620 --> 01:34:56,560
they're the people that are

2134
01:35:02,110 --> 01:34:59,630
orchestrating all this but I honestly

2135
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:02,120
don't believe that the elected

2136
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:04,730
government has any more awareness and

2137
01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:06,650
awareness awareness of it the way do I

2138
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:08,630
think it really is something that's so

2139
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:11,750
deeply buried it's like a rogue agency

2140
01:35:18,910 --> 01:35:15,410
that basically is just running itself I

2141
01:35:21,310 --> 01:35:18,920
with hello Versailles it yeah well

2142
01:35:26,770 --> 01:35:21,320
that's most scary yeah probably more

2143
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:26,780
scary that the reptilians or a court of

2144
01:35:31,150 --> 01:35:28,130
course there are some people who think

2145
01:35:33,130 --> 01:35:31,160
that the reptilians are in league with

2146
01:35:37,660 --> 01:35:33,140
the Illuminati the New World Order and

2147
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:37,670
the shadow government well yeah I mean I

2148
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:39,770
mean these stories are interesting but I

2149
01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:41,600
mean personally I don't think the royal

2150
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:44,030
british royal family are reptiles you

2151
01:35:50,140 --> 01:35:47,690
know you can even melt ice yeah but well

2152
01:35:53,470 --> 01:35:50,150
this is a point or qualified by saying

2153
01:35:56,650 --> 01:35:53,480
that there's enough solid good reports

2154
01:36:01,090 --> 01:35:56,660
on file I think to suggest there is like

2155
01:36:03,130 --> 01:36:01,100
a reptilian phenomenon particularly in

2156
01:36:04,810 --> 01:36:03,140
certain alien abduction cases you get

2157
01:36:07,020 --> 01:36:04,820
people who said you know the event was

2158
01:36:10,180 --> 01:36:07,030
sort of been overseen by the reptilians

2159
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:10,190
and I actually do think another a

2160
01:36:16,990 --> 01:36:13,730
legitimate number of good quality cases

2161
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:17,000
but I think that's a big step from

2162
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:19,370
saying you know that Prince Charles or

2163
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:22,210
Prince William and you know k2

2164
01:36:27,210 --> 01:36:25,130
shape-shifting reptiles I don't believe

2165
01:36:29,410 --> 01:36:27,220
that at all leave it at that first I

2166
01:36:32,110 --> 01:36:29,420
don't know Bruce Charles I could see him

2167
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:32,120
as reptilian thanks Harry well you know

2168
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,730
that doesn't take away the fact that you

2169
01:36:39,070 --> 01:36:36,560
know there's a there's a foot of a

2170
01:36:40,750 --> 01:36:39,080
reptilian phenomenon you know the

2171
01:36:44,170 --> 01:36:40,760
reptilians of the serpent race were

2172
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:44,180
always associated with the underworld

2173
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:46,610
the Inner Earth the

2174
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:49,520
shaver mystery I mean there have been

2175
01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:53,119
cases where miners and spelunkers have

2176
01:36:59,100 --> 01:36:55,190
been deep down inside the earth and

2177
01:37:01,870 --> 01:36:59,110
they've encountered some pretty strange

2178
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:01,880
beings in fact there's an article that I

2179
01:37:06,189 --> 01:37:03,980
read and I don't think it's a hoax that

2180
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:06,199
appeared in in one of the papers in Los

2181
01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:10,159
Angeles maybe around nineteen fifty or

2182
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:12,260
so and it talked about somebody

2183
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:14,449
encountering what was an obvious

2184
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:18,530
reptilian in the source system here we

2185
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:20,719
only have crocodiles and the sources to

2186
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:23,600
be parking we're void of reptilians

2187
01:37:27,790 --> 01:37:26,690
maybe we can swap a couple but well you

2188
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:27,800
know it's interesting you say that

2189
01:37:33,070 --> 01:37:30,530
because I mean if you look you know the

2190
01:37:35,859 --> 01:37:33,080
dinosaurs died out like 65 million years

2191
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:35,869
ago but studies which you can find

2192
01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:37,760
online you know people done studies to

2193
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:40,310
try to figure out you know they survived

2194
01:37:44,189 --> 01:37:42,250
or small parking of them has survived

2195
01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:44,199
what would have happened to them and

2196
01:37:49,930 --> 01:37:46,760
they would have adapted like you know

2197
01:37:53,140 --> 01:37:49,940
unchanged as all species do over time

2198
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:53,150
and he has been suggested they would

2199
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:57,440
have become shorter smaller more

2200
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:00,080
intelligence and took unlike a bipedal

2201
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:02,480
stance like us and you know for all

2202
01:38:07,810 --> 01:38:05,090
except one you know intents and purposes

2203
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:07,820
they would be like a reptilian so I do

2204
01:38:13,180 --> 01:38:10,960
sometimes wonder if these reptilians as

2205
01:38:15,250 --> 01:38:13,190
controversial as it might sound could

2206
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:15,260
actually be something like a surviving

2207
01:38:19,930 --> 01:38:18,170
relic from the dinosaur that's here and

2208
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,940
that's sort of coexisted with us and

2209
01:38:23,890 --> 01:38:22,159
that for the most part do live

2210
01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:23,900
underground and you know in that sense

2211
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:26,179
there would be like the original rulers

2212
01:38:30,209 --> 01:38:28,010
of the planet you know the dinosaurs but

2213
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:30,219
today they're sort of relegated to a

2214
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:33,170
perhaps a you know a secondary level

2215
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:35,600
where in many respects they may we may

2216
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:38,330
be they superior in terms of number but

2217
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:41,030
in terms of you know what's going on in

2218
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,610
the underworld they would be the

2219
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,199
superiors down there so I do wonder you

2220
01:38:50,290 --> 01:38:47,840
know if it could be literal sort of

2221
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:50,300
reptilians lizard people but it's like

2222
01:38:54,430 --> 01:38:52,610
an ancient terrestrial race you know

2223
01:38:59,050 --> 01:38:54,440
that we think could be actually

2224
01:39:00,520 --> 01:38:59,060
terrestrial one hour there are cases i

2225
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:00,530
know in fat

2226
01:39:04,150 --> 01:39:01,970
I'm trying to remember the name of the

2227
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:04,160
fellow that I met years ago who came to

2228
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:07,370
my door conferences nah it was a fellow

2229
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:10,610
who actually had gotten into I think the

2230
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:16,250
Amazon in search of real dinosaurs so I

2231
01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:19,370
mean that there in fact um Harold T

2232
01:39:25,870 --> 01:39:22,300
Wilkins who was a fellow a British er

2233
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:25,880
wrote several books in the early 1950s I

2234
01:39:32,230 --> 01:39:28,970
know we have a book on his research that

2235
01:39:35,260 --> 01:39:32,240
we compiled and he talked about cases

2236
01:39:38,020 --> 01:39:35,270
where dinosaurs were actually is still

2237
01:39:40,810 --> 01:39:38,030
being observed up until you know a

2238
01:39:43,330 --> 01:39:40,820
decade or so ago if not even more recent

2239
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:43,340
and you know the case down in is it

2240
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:45,250
South America where there seemed to be a

2241
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:48,080
dinosaurs and humans on the pottery

2242
01:39:53,470 --> 01:39:51,410
bowls yeah I mean that there are a lot

2243
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,480
of interesting and weird stories sort of

2244
01:39:57,970 --> 01:39:55,520
you know weight puts the sort of

2245
01:40:01,120 --> 01:39:57,980
timelines into a sort of dispute I mean

2246
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:01,130
I think certainly I mean look for

2247
01:40:04,540 --> 01:40:02,570
example if you look at the coelacanth

2248
01:40:06,700 --> 01:40:04,550
this particular fish that was caught off

2249
01:40:11,140 --> 01:40:06,710
the coast of South Africa nice i wanna

2250
01:40:13,060 --> 01:40:11,150
die no fish yeah now that that was

2251
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:13,070
presumed to become extinct literally

2252
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:14,930
millions and millions of years ago until

2253
01:40:21,610 --> 01:40:17,330
one was holding as i said in the night

2254
01:40:23,380 --> 01:40:21,620
in insider 19 35 or 36 with theories

2255
01:40:25,780 --> 01:40:23,390
have been suggesting for the Loch Ness

2256
01:40:26,740 --> 01:40:25,790
monsters at their Plesiosaurus I don't

2257
01:40:30,910 --> 01:40:26,750
know if they are but that's you know

2258
01:40:33,780 --> 01:40:30,920
that's one viable theory then you have

2259
01:40:36,460 --> 01:40:33,790
stories not they asked you down the fish

2260
01:40:38,770 --> 01:40:36,470
yes oh no you know recently they went

2261
01:40:40,630 --> 01:40:38,780
they found it in the 1930s but they

2262
01:40:42,490 --> 01:40:40,640
actually researched it recently very

2263
01:40:44,590 --> 01:40:42,500
very deep in the ocean I mean there's

2264
01:40:46,660 --> 01:40:44,600
other cases this doesn't really go all

2265
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:46,670
the way back to the dinosaur era but

2266
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:48,770
there are reports up until the 1800s

2267
01:40:54,460 --> 01:40:51,650
from canada and russia of people

2268
01:40:57,010 --> 01:40:54,470
claiming to see mammoths now you know

2269
01:40:58,900 --> 01:40:57,020
Alice above became extinct 10,000 years

2270
01:41:01,240 --> 01:40:58,910
ago but he wouldn't surprise me if there

2271
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:01,250
were isolated pockets you know up to a

2272
01:41:06,460 --> 01:41:04,400
few hundred years ago you know when the

2273
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:06,470
earth wasn't railing was still not as

2274
01:41:09,340 --> 01:41:07,910
well traveled as it is to that I don't

2275
01:41:12,010 --> 01:41:09,350
think mammoths are running around now

2276
01:41:13,899 --> 01:41:12,020
but he wouldn't be surprise me if they

2277
01:41:17,259 --> 01:41:13,909
you know there actually were few

2278
01:41:19,390 --> 01:41:17,269
that lasted longer than science tells us

2279
01:41:20,949 --> 01:41:19,400
you know and I think soft in our

2280
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:20,959
arrogance to think we know everything

2281
01:41:28,659 --> 01:41:25,280
that's still around you know we actually

2282
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:28,669
we actually don't you know now where do

2283
01:41:35,339 --> 01:41:30,530
all these creatures hide though I mean

2284
01:41:38,589 --> 01:41:35,349
there seems to be a aspect of even this

2285
01:41:40,779 --> 01:41:38,599
Bigfoot in all being paranormal in

2286
01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:40,789
nature where there's seen one minute and

2287
01:41:47,169 --> 01:41:44,630
disappear the the next well yeah I mean

2288
01:41:51,989 --> 01:41:47,179
certainly there's no way that you could

2289
01:41:54,909 --> 01:41:51,999
have like a colony of like 20 or 30 a

2290
01:41:57,969 --> 01:41:54,919
brontosaurus or Tyrannosaurus Rex you

2291
01:42:00,009 --> 01:41:57,979
know Rama and African nobody know these

2292
01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:00,019
things would probably become scaled down

2293
01:42:03,790 --> 01:42:02,209
by now and i think the ones will

2294
01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:03,800
probably survive and wouldn't be found

2295
01:42:07,839 --> 01:42:05,510
but it will be the ones that live in the

2296
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:07,849
water you know that don't need to

2297
01:42:13,449 --> 01:42:11,119
surface that often that with like pretty

2298
01:42:16,029 --> 01:42:13,459
large huge prehistoric fish that kind of

2299
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:16,039
thing you know there's no way we're

2300
01:42:20,679 --> 01:42:17,090
going to find it like i said a

2301
01:42:22,540 --> 01:42:20,689
brontosaurus or anything like that but

2302
01:42:25,330 --> 01:42:22,550
there are reporters I'm sure you know

2303
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:25,340
Jim like from down the texas-mexico

2304
01:42:30,009 --> 01:42:28,159
border where people play just seen some

2305
01:42:32,649 --> 01:42:30,019
things that look like pterodactyls and

2306
01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:32,659
you can find stories of pterodactyl type

2307
01:42:40,750 --> 01:42:35,150
creatures all throughout the last 100

2308
01:42:42,850 --> 01:42:40,760
years of paranormal law if you like but

2309
01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:42,860
as far as Bigfoot concerned you know

2310
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:45,169
there's a couple of theories one is just

2311
01:42:50,949 --> 01:42:48,169
that it's a North American ape which you

2312
01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:50,959
know I don't hold to that FIRREA written

2313
01:42:54,489 --> 01:42:52,369
quite extensively on Bigfoot and

2314
01:42:57,729 --> 01:42:54,499
although I think it's real I think it's

2315
01:42:59,379 --> 01:42:57,739
far stranger than just a dorfa merican

2316
01:43:01,929 --> 01:42:59,389
equivalent of an African gorilla it's

2317
01:43:03,580 --> 01:43:01,939
not you know this there's some stranger

2318
01:43:05,819 --> 01:43:03,590
things going on with it as well these

2319
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:05,829
sort of appearances and disappearances

2320
01:43:12,819 --> 01:43:09,050
and ties with the sightings of strange

2321
01:43:16,209 --> 01:43:12,829
lights in the sky and you know I mean

2322
01:43:19,089 --> 01:43:16,219
you know I was just a kid everyone okay

2323
01:43:21,310 --> 01:43:19,099
well remember back in the 70s there are

2324
01:43:23,859 --> 01:43:21,320
huge waves where they'll be Bigfoot in

2325
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:23,869
UFO sightings all at the same time yeah

2326
01:43:30,260 --> 01:43:26,340
pennsylvania pennsylvania and

2327
01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:30,270
in Ohio now I remember I was

2328
01:43:36,350 --> 01:43:33,239
investigating a case in the tiny little

2329
01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:36,360
town of Athens Ohio I had to go to

2330
01:43:41,629 --> 01:43:38,760
Cincinnati on some magazine work

2331
01:43:43,070 --> 01:43:41,639
actually and i had read an article there

2332
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:43,080
was a little article in the newspaper

2333
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:44,610
here in New York I mean just like a

2334
01:43:51,260 --> 01:43:47,040
couple of paragraphs that an object had

2335
01:43:54,410 --> 01:43:51,270
landed in a cornfield behind some

2336
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:54,420
farmer's house and had left indentions

2337
01:43:59,930 --> 01:43:58,080
in the ground and so forth well I figure

2338
01:44:02,959 --> 01:43:59,940
well since I'm going to be there let me

2339
01:44:04,939 --> 01:44:02,969
let me check out the neighborhood and I

2340
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:04,949
went and I talked to the farmer actually

2341
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:08,760
it was his teenage son who saw the the

2342
01:44:12,919 --> 01:44:11,550
object land and it wasn't much of a

2343
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,929
cornfield I mean when you think of

2344
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:15,119
cornfields you know you you think of

2345
01:44:19,879 --> 01:44:17,610
like acres and acres of corn this was

2346
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,889
like a little corn patch behind his

2347
01:44:24,020 --> 01:44:21,360
house you know I mean nothing dramatic

2348
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:24,030
and of course you couldn't see whether

2349
01:44:28,220 --> 01:44:25,710
there were anything had landed there

2350
01:44:30,379 --> 01:44:28,230
because all the corn had been stomped

2351
01:44:33,890 --> 01:44:30,389
out by people are going to see if the

2352
01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:33,900
court had been stomped out so that was

2353
01:44:40,370 --> 01:44:36,030
that way but okay so it was an

2354
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:40,380
interesting story and other period will

2355
01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:42,690
let me canvass the the neighborhood let

2356
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,510
me be a UFO snoop you know now this was

2357
01:44:50,540 --> 01:44:47,280
around the time that John keel started

2358
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:50,550
talking about the silent contactees in a

2359
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:53,280
Saudi associating UFOs with some of

2360
01:44:59,620 --> 01:44:55,650
these other oddities that were taking

2361
01:45:02,570 --> 01:44:59,630
place so I went and I actually bang on

2362
01:45:04,250 --> 01:45:02,580
doors front doors back doors Ryan

2363
01:45:07,339 --> 01:45:04,260
buzzers now we're talking about a real

2364
01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:07,349
rural community so it's not like going

2365
01:45:12,620 --> 01:45:09,510
to you know a bigger apartment complex

2366
01:45:16,089 --> 01:45:12,630
or something and believe it or not most

2367
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:16,099
everybody had some sort of experience

2368
01:45:22,370 --> 01:45:19,110
one woman said well you see down the

2369
01:45:23,899 --> 01:45:22,380
road there i saw a cigar-shaped object

2370
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:23,909
in the sky and I said well it was it

2371
01:45:27,919 --> 01:45:25,320
wasn't around the same time in the same

2372
01:45:29,839 --> 01:45:27,929
night that this object supposedly landed

2373
01:45:31,850 --> 01:45:29,849
she said oh no i've seen in numerous

2374
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:31,860
times i don't know what it's connected

2375
01:45:38,839 --> 01:45:34,310
with that or not and she said you know

2376
01:45:40,260 --> 01:45:38,849
Bigfoot hangs out behind my house I've

2377
01:45:42,420 --> 01:45:40,270
said Bigfoot hangs

2378
01:45:44,220 --> 01:45:42,430
up behind your house why would he do

2379
01:45:47,130 --> 01:45:44,230
that well she said I'm not quite sure

2380
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:47,140
but maybe he's drinking the water that's

2381
01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:49,930
dripping from the air conditioning well

2382
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:52,450
I said well how do you know that he's

2383
01:45:57,180 --> 01:45:54,400
hanging up behind your house she said

2384
01:46:00,240 --> 01:45:57,190
well we've seen the the muddy dirt

2385
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:00,250
tracks or his you know a footprints

2386
01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:02,290
underneath the air conditioner with the

2387
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:04,840
water drips and and we've heard some

2388
01:46:08,730 --> 01:46:06,610
banging around out there night but

2389
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:08,740
nobody you know we're not armed and

2390
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:10,240
nobody wants to go out and find out what

2391
01:46:15,180 --> 01:46:13,090
this you know what's going on so here

2392
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:15,190
was somebody you know who had it and

2393
01:46:18,420 --> 01:46:16,570
there were several other people in the

2394
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:18,430
same little town who had similar

2395
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:21,280
experiences and one woman even told me

2396
01:46:28,650 --> 01:46:25,570
that her oil burner or electric heater

2397
01:46:31,890 --> 01:46:28,660
was communicating with her rapping

2398
01:46:33,480 --> 01:46:31,900
rapping and tapping and in hissing and

2399
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,490
popping or whatever water heater does

2400
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:35,920
and she was quite serious about this she

2401
01:46:43,620 --> 01:46:38,050
said you know I can't invite you in I

2402
01:46:45,210 --> 01:46:43,630
can't talk to you about this really but

2403
01:46:47,630 --> 01:46:45,220
an hour later I was still standing

2404
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:47,640
behind the screen door in the back porch

2405
01:46:52,530 --> 01:46:50,530
as she continued to do you know I should

2406
01:46:56,700 --> 01:46:52,540
have taken notes but again this was back

2407
01:46:57,930 --> 01:46:56,710
in the 1970s you know and I I still have

2408
01:47:00,360 --> 01:46:57,940
all my notes from everything I've ever

2409
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,370
investigated but I don't know if if I

2410
01:47:04,890 --> 01:47:02,080
yeah I probably still have it here

2411
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:04,900
somewhere when I when I pass away from

2412
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:08,170
this mortal coil miles Lewis is supposed

2413
01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:10,090
to take my collection here and put it in

2414
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:13,540
is a library there they have a his group

2415
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:15,190
has a library down in Texas I think

2416
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:17,770
actually and and so that's a you know

2417
01:47:21,420 --> 01:47:19,450
I've got all these cases you know I've

2418
01:47:24,630 --> 01:47:21,430
investigating but after all these years

2419
01:47:26,340 --> 01:47:24,640
like you Nick I'm kind of stumped I mean

2420
01:47:29,370 --> 01:47:26,350
I don't know really what it what it what

2421
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,380
it means except that there's a heck of a

2422
01:47:34,980 --> 01:47:31,360
lot of weird stuff going on that we can

2423
01:47:37,860 --> 01:47:34,990
account for and academia and the

2424
01:47:40,530 --> 01:47:37,870
scientific community doesn't want to

2425
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,540
hear about it they say that they think

2426
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:42,400
that we're out of our minds but they

2427
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:44,890
just really they just want to fluff it

2428
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:47,860
off because it doesn't fit in with their

2429
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:49,810
paradigm it only fits in with ours

2430
01:47:54,939 --> 01:47:53,119
perhaps you know yeah

2431
01:47:57,129 --> 01:47:54,949
the one thing I guess sort of I've

2432
01:47:59,169 --> 01:47:57,139
learned more than anything else is that

2433
01:48:00,609 --> 01:47:59,179
a lot of these things like i said

2434
01:48:04,359 --> 01:48:00,619
earlier cross over there sort of

2435
01:48:06,939 --> 01:48:04,369
interlinked but you know i don't know

2436
01:48:08,830 --> 01:48:06,949
why i think john cale got close to the

2437
01:48:11,859 --> 01:48:08,840
answers when he talked about the idea of

2438
01:48:14,799 --> 01:48:11,869
some sort of phenomenon that manipulates

2439
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,809
US and almost in a sometimes in a

2440
01:48:19,929 --> 01:48:16,639
playful fashion but sometimes in a

2441
01:48:21,969 --> 01:48:19,939
bananas or even malevolent fashion and

2442
01:48:23,919 --> 01:48:21,979
it can whatever the phenomenon easy sort

2443
01:48:26,739 --> 01:48:23,929
of manifest in different ways you know

2444
01:48:28,929 --> 01:48:26,749
one person's alien is somebody else's d

2445
01:48:31,569 --> 01:48:28,939
many somebody else is gobbling or

2446
01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:31,579
whatever that kind of thing and you know

2447
01:48:37,989 --> 01:48:34,239
the idea that the originating

2448
01:48:39,879 --> 01:48:37,999
intelligence can actually manipulate the

2449
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:39,889
way it appears for different or

2450
01:48:44,529 --> 01:48:42,010
manipulating human mind wishes say to

2451
01:48:48,189 --> 01:48:44,539
you know in terms of how we interpret

2452
01:48:50,379 --> 01:48:48,199
what these things are so but there's no

2453
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:50,389
doubt that you know Bigfoot not among

2454
01:48:56,139 --> 01:48:53,570
UFOs exist the big question is if

2455
01:48:59,979 --> 01:48:56,149
they're all interlinked how can they be

2456
01:49:02,560 --> 01:48:59,989
and and what's the whole goal you know

2457
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:02,570
why is it that we sort of taunted with

2458
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:04,610
sightings of these things that suddenly

2459
01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:07,010
then vanish and pop up somewhere else

2460
01:49:12,069 --> 01:49:10,129
and you know take a people's lives and

2461
01:49:13,869 --> 01:49:12,079
in terms investigated I'm you know

2462
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:13,879
what's the whole purpose behind it I

2463
01:49:17,799 --> 01:49:15,409
think that's what we're still struggling

2464
01:49:20,500 --> 01:49:17,809
to find out well maybe maybe there is no

2465
01:49:22,449 --> 01:49:20,510
purpose behind it I got a question for

2466
01:49:24,659 --> 01:49:22,459
you Nick how much is the how much of it

2467
01:49:27,729 --> 01:49:24,669
do you think is misinterpretation of

2468
01:49:29,770 --> 01:49:27,739
data really from people years back

2469
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:29,780
especially let's go back a thousand

2470
01:49:33,609 --> 01:49:31,489
years ago if an alien ship lands

2471
01:49:35,139 --> 01:49:33,619
anywhere on the planet back then they're

2472
01:49:36,189 --> 01:49:35,149
not going to see it as alien beings

2473
01:49:38,319 --> 01:49:36,199
they're going to see it as demonic

2474
01:49:40,989 --> 01:49:38,329
that's just the way what I'll sure would

2475
01:49:42,729 --> 01:49:40,999
look at or gods yeah I completely

2476
01:49:44,350 --> 01:49:42,739
misinterpreted as something completely

2477
01:49:46,290 --> 01:49:44,360
different than what they really are

2478
01:49:48,989 --> 01:49:46,300
which is aliens or extraterrestrials

2479
01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:48,999
yeah that's such a good point because

2480
01:49:53,409 --> 01:49:51,289
you know you as i said earlier with

2481
01:49:55,299 --> 01:49:53,419
stories like fairies and people being

2482
01:49:56,799 --> 01:49:55,309
take right that's all for my cereal yeah

2483
01:49:57,909 --> 01:49:56,809
that's been material yeah Harry's

2484
01:49:59,679 --> 01:49:57,919
leprechauns and all these mythologies

2485
01:50:01,569 --> 01:49:59,689
are yeah well if you read these stories

2486
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:01,579
you know you would find that they would

2487
01:50:05,889 --> 01:50:04,159
steal babies and they would leave what's

2488
01:50:06,670 --> 01:50:05,899
called a changeling which looks like a

2489
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:06,680
like vague

2490
01:50:10,900 --> 01:50:09,050
like a human beast or if you read in

2491
01:50:13,780 --> 01:50:10,910
class you they sound like today stories

2492
01:50:16,150 --> 01:50:13,790
of hybrid babies and things like that

2493
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:16,160
and even the black-eyed children where

2494
01:50:21,250 --> 01:50:19,760
they sort of a sort of described as you

2495
01:50:23,650 --> 01:50:21,260
know that the fairy children will

2496
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:23,660
slightly like us but there are

2497
01:50:29,050 --> 01:50:25,610
differences and have a kind of menacing

2498
01:50:32,830 --> 01:50:29,060
and disturbing and you know people go to

2499
01:50:34,690 --> 01:50:32,840
the fairy Kingdom either they would come

2500
01:50:36,340 --> 01:50:34,700
back thinking two hours have gone by in

2501
01:50:38,170 --> 01:50:36,350
two days have gone by which is like a

2502
01:50:40,810 --> 01:50:38,180
classic thing with the amazingness of

2503
01:50:43,050 --> 01:50:40,820
time you know in today's abductions so

2504
01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:43,060
so yeah right i mean you can go back

2505
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,190
2,000 3,000 years ancient babylonian

2506
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:49,280
stories about malevolent entities that

2507
01:50:53,710 --> 01:50:51,020
were into people's bedrooms at night

2508
01:50:56,350 --> 01:50:53,720
Lilith is one of the you know the story

2509
01:50:59,770 --> 01:50:56,360
of Lilith sort of female demonic

2510
01:51:01,900 --> 01:50:59,780
character and you know the story of

2511
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:01,910
Lilith was that she would literally sort

2512
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:06,800
of take human sperm from men and create

2513
01:51:11,530 --> 01:51:09,410
these hybrid demonic children well

2514
01:51:14,620 --> 01:51:11,540
that's really now given subjugate have

2515
01:51:16,990 --> 01:51:14,630
done today in claiming you know that DNA

2516
01:51:20,140 --> 01:51:17,000
or eggs and sperm was taken as part of

2517
01:51:21,790 --> 01:51:20,150
some alien experiments that's just it's

2518
01:51:24,460 --> 01:51:21,800
just a different you know you know so

2519
01:51:27,250 --> 01:51:24,470
what happens a position Rumpelstiltskin

2520
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:27,260
wasn't there something with that oh yeah

2521
01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:30,320
you mean a rip van winkle the lady that

2522
01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:32,510
was on the first show memorized but yeah

2523
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:34,550
yeah no no no no as far as as far as a

2524
01:51:41,550 --> 01:51:37,040
like a story goes was there something

2525
01:51:43,540 --> 01:51:41,560
behind I'm pretty sure of kind of

2526
01:51:46,150 --> 01:51:43,550
somebody's just see their new that was

2527
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:46,160
no Kate but they don't really show that

2528
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:47,810
story to be on us and maybe it was just

2529
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:49,970
telling cook it was repaired it was

2530
01:51:55,810 --> 01:51:52,250
repaired winkle yes it was yes I by me

2531
01:51:58,930 --> 01:51:55,820
uh too much hanging out with Dino the

2532
01:52:00,640 --> 01:51:58,940
dinosaur there come on my god but yeah I

2533
01:52:03,460 --> 01:52:00,650
do think you know that like one person

2534
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:03,470
Lily at least somebody else's God if

2535
01:52:08,820 --> 01:52:06,050
somebody else is mainly somebody else's

2536
01:52:11,110 --> 01:52:08,830
d many somebody else's space brother or

2537
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:11,120
alien gray or whatever you know I think

2538
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:14,210
it's and maybe the phenomenon itself

2539
01:52:20,290 --> 01:52:17,450
actually physically alters its you know

2540
01:52:22,419 --> 01:52:20,300
it's a non-physical t-shape or a

2541
01:52:24,970 --> 01:52:22,429
perhaps he could manipulate the human

2542
01:52:27,700 --> 01:52:24,980
mind so it appears in a way that's

2543
01:52:30,580 --> 01:52:27,710
acceptable of the people of that era so

2544
01:52:32,109 --> 01:52:30,590
maybe the way we see Grey's today maybe

2545
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:32,119
they really did see something like

2546
01:52:36,549 --> 01:52:34,520
goblins or demons because it was sort of

2547
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:36,559
more acceptable to their belief systems

2548
01:52:42,669 --> 01:52:39,110
but you know the idea of the human mind

2549
01:52:45,069 --> 01:52:42,679
being manipulated to see what the

2550
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:45,079
phenomenon wants us to see you know we

2551
01:52:49,450 --> 01:52:47,170
may never have seen it really in its

2552
01:52:53,049 --> 01:52:49,460
genuine form you know maybe we'll always

2553
01:52:54,729 --> 01:52:53,059
be manipulated by so one of the final

2554
01:52:58,479 --> 01:52:54,739
questions here because I do see that

2555
01:53:01,780 --> 01:52:58,489
time is running in the opposite direct

2556
01:53:05,169 --> 01:53:01,790
direction are any of these objects

2557
01:53:08,049 --> 01:53:05,179
spacecraft did the did the object that

2558
01:53:10,209 --> 01:53:08,059
crashed or supposedly crashed outside

2559
01:53:15,149 --> 01:53:10,219
the town of Roswell or Kingman Arizona

2560
01:53:17,470 --> 01:53:15,159
or Aztec where any of these spacecraft

2561
01:53:19,390 --> 01:53:17,480
well I mean that's a good question i

2562
01:53:22,569 --> 01:53:19,400
mean if they're literally coming from

2563
01:53:25,569 --> 01:53:22,579
other solar systems then i would say yes

2564
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:25,579
if they're interdimensional then

2565
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:29,199
technically they wouldn't be spacecrafts

2566
01:53:34,990 --> 01:53:31,820
so you know it's it's kind of really

2567
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:35,000
hard to say the problem is you know we

2568
01:53:39,819 --> 01:53:36,770
interpret the idea of strange things

2569
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:39,829
coming out of strange craft well it's

2570
01:53:46,660 --> 01:53:43,760
got to be alien you know but that's sort

2571
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:46,670
of based on our perceptions I mean I

2572
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:49,730
actually quite like the whole theory the

2573
01:53:55,209 --> 01:53:52,610
you have a time-travel theory that it's

2574
01:53:57,879 --> 01:53:55,219
sort of us in the future when the human

2575
01:54:02,260 --> 01:53:57,889
race is degraded and you know they've

2576
01:54:05,290 --> 01:54:02,270
got to come back to first actually like

2577
01:54:07,810 --> 01:54:05,300
to reap DNA in excess perm because the

2578
01:54:09,459 --> 01:54:07,820
human race is on the decline so what we

2579
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:09,469
do if you want to do that and you don't

2580
01:54:14,649 --> 01:54:11,570
want the people of today to find out

2581
01:54:16,990 --> 01:54:14,659
what's going on you might well present

2582
01:54:19,060 --> 01:54:17,000
yourself as aliens you might go about

2583
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:19,070
500 years ago and present yourself as

2584
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:21,530
fairies and demons before that because

2585
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:25,040
it all acts as a good camouflage and so

2586
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:27,260
in that sense you know I kind of like

2587
01:54:31,689 --> 01:54:29,090
having obviously its dependence on where

2588
01:54:33,879 --> 01:54:31,699
the time travels real but I kind of like

2589
01:54:37,299 --> 01:54:33,889
that sort of you know that

2590
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:37,309
that the phenomenon may be may be

2591
01:54:41,379 --> 01:54:39,110
logically UFO angle maybe like a

2592
01:54:44,049 --> 01:54:41,389
camouflage but the time travelers you

2593
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:44,059
what well there is some evidence what we

2594
01:54:49,719 --> 01:54:46,610
call but strange artifacts that are at a

2595
01:54:53,889 --> 01:54:49,729
time that does seem to be embedded in

2596
01:54:57,339 --> 01:54:53,899
rocks and volcanic yeah yeah that just

2597
01:54:59,290 --> 01:54:57,349
does they don't belong there uh but

2598
01:55:02,020 --> 01:54:59,300
that's not the same as saying that the

2599
01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:02,030
people travel back and forth in time and

2600
01:55:08,529 --> 01:55:04,729
well we've got the Kecksburg UFO no

2601
01:55:12,549 --> 01:55:08,539
that's a strange case too but we could

2602
01:55:13,659 --> 01:55:12,559
go on and on and on Nick with talking to

2603
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:13,669
you because you have a wealth of

2604
01:55:19,689 --> 01:55:16,010
information and how many books have you

2605
01:55:21,819 --> 01:55:19,699
actually written I've done about 32 now

2606
01:55:24,449 --> 01:55:21,829
I'm going to do more out this year I've

2607
01:55:26,649 --> 01:55:24,459
got one on the topic I've got one on

2608
01:55:28,839 --> 01:55:26,659
call the Bigfoot book which is like the

2609
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:28,849
zombie books it's like an A to Z type

2610
01:55:33,370 --> 01:55:30,649
thing and then I've got one called

2611
01:55:35,100 --> 01:55:33,380
chupacabra road trip which is basically

2612
01:55:38,739 --> 01:55:35,110
about all the expedition's have been on

2613
01:55:41,169 --> 01:55:38,749
looking for the chupacabra in Mexico the

2614
01:55:44,439 --> 01:55:41,179
US border rico over the last 10 years

2615
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:44,449
and the that'll be out in September hmm

2616
01:55:49,899 --> 01:55:47,119
and do you think that will ever have an

2617
01:55:53,169 --> 01:55:49,909
answer to to any of this I mean it well

2618
01:55:56,049 --> 01:55:53,179
I'm you know that it's difficult to say

2619
01:55:57,250 --> 01:55:56,059
I mean you look all the research not to

2620
01:55:59,830 --> 01:55:57,260
be pessimistic because all the

2621
01:56:02,259 --> 01:55:59,840
researchers have come before us you know

2622
01:56:05,949 --> 01:56:02,269
and to what extent that they sold it I

2623
01:56:08,109 --> 01:56:05,959
think it's solvable but it's almost like

2624
01:56:09,609 --> 01:56:08,119
the phenomenon so elusive as well but

2625
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:09,619
it's always one step ahead of us and

2626
01:56:15,009 --> 01:56:12,800
manipulating us and I said the big

2627
01:56:17,469 --> 01:56:15,019
question is why I mean that's what I

2628
01:56:21,069 --> 01:56:17,479
don't get I think I think we can all

2629
01:56:24,100 --> 01:56:21,079
agree that Barack Obama is not going to

2630
01:56:27,279 --> 01:56:24,110
go on the six o'clock news and that tell

2631
01:56:29,409 --> 01:56:27,289
us that there are aliens here and

2632
01:56:32,319 --> 01:56:29,419
disclose the full the truth like some of

2633
01:56:34,629 --> 01:56:32,329
these disclosure people say it's going

2634
01:56:37,149 --> 01:56:34,639
to happen it isn't happening the best

2635
01:56:39,339 --> 01:56:37,159
that Barack Obama could say is buy one

2636
01:56:41,620 --> 01:56:39,349
of those books by Nick Redford and Tim

2637
01:56:44,859 --> 01:56:41,630
Becker and decide and decide for

2638
01:56:47,229 --> 01:56:44,869
yourself they're probably privy to the

2639
01:56:47,650 --> 01:56:47,239
same infamy I'm sure they have cat you

2640
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:47,660
know right

2641
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:49,730
our cases and close encounters and stuff

2642
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:52,010
too but their privy to the same overall

2643
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:54,800
information that we r and n is if you

2644
01:56:58,780 --> 01:56:56,090
pointed out in some of your literature

2645
01:57:00,160 --> 01:56:58,790
there are some uh you know people in the

2646
01:57:01,540 --> 01:57:00,170
government who believe that UFOs are

2647
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:01,550
real and some people who don't give a

2648
01:57:07,530 --> 01:57:03,890
hoot about it you know and think it's a

2649
01:57:10,420 --> 01:57:07,540
waste of time and then people like maybe

2650
01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:10,430
you know Dick Cheney who may have the

2651
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:12,290
the answers but that's doubtful even

2652
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:14,090
then cuz I don't know if well yes the

2653
01:57:18,460 --> 01:57:16,250
answer to anything yeah I mean if you

2654
01:57:20,170 --> 01:57:18,470
forgot alien bodies or body strange

2655
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:20,180
bodies that doesn't really tell you what

2656
01:57:24,970 --> 01:57:22,250
they are or where they're from it's like

2657
01:57:26,410 --> 01:57:24,980
with bras well even if something we did

2658
01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:26,420
crash at Roswell on the button the

2659
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:28,370
government or an agency has like

2660
01:57:32,830 --> 01:57:30,890
wreckage and body stored away that

2661
01:57:34,330 --> 01:57:32,840
doesn't tell you what they are aware

2662
01:57:35,850 --> 01:57:34,340
that from or what they want it just

2663
01:57:38,740 --> 01:57:35,860
means you've got some strange bodies

2664
01:57:41,050 --> 01:57:38,750
absolute away absolutely not anyway I

2665
01:57:44,670 --> 01:57:41,060
hear the mothership coming closer and

2666
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:44,680
and it's it's time to pick up our

2667
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:48,050
knapsacks and head out into the woods to

2668
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:50,570
get away from them and once again I want

2669
01:57:55,630 --> 01:57:52,880
to thank you Nick for being on and our

2670
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:55,640
earlier guests to pull Dale Roberts and

2671
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:00,080
of course Carla and angel down in

2672
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:03,650
Florida and I'm beckley and we will be

2673
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:06,400
back next week same time with some great

2674
01:58:14,350 --> 01:58:10,250
conversation and remember there are